Who was "that girl"?

[airdrew20012001 0]

On a skydive yesterday there was a three-way hi-brid attempt. Towards the begining of the skydive one of the sit flyers went low, the other sit fly went to back flying in front of the belly flyer. The low person shot to belly to get back up and "whack" the two went pack to pack in a pretty hard impact. As the story goes, when the one flyer went low she was about fourty-five degrees off the right hand side and had the other sit flyer in visual at about fourty five degree off the left side, she said she was pretty sure she was popping up into clean air.
The question, oh fast falling freakazoids, is who should have been able to prevent it? One could say that whenever you see someone go low in a freefly dive you need to keep an eye on them in the off chance that they cork. One could also say that if you are going to elevator up you need to make sure you are clear. What say you all?
Drewfus McDoofus

[hookit 0]

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The question, oh fast falling freakazoids, is who should have been able to prevent it?

In my opinion the person at fault is the person who originally went low and then, while still underneath the 'formation', changed speed rapidly to float up to the formation.
One of the golden rules of freeflying is to never fly above or below a group of freeflyers (for fear of corking). If you float or sink out then get well clear (horizontally) from the formation and attempt to get back to the group.
Blues,
Trey

[CanEHdian 0]

*Who was that girl?*
- That girl was "Dangerous".
CanEHdian

[Levin 0]

from what you have wrote it was the low girl's fault. however a small amount of fault can be placed on the other jumpers if she was the designated base or if there was no designated base.
levin
grat#40

[freeflir29 0]

and on a sitfly or hybrid dive it is best to come back up on your back. That way you have a clear view of whats above you.
"Here I come to save the BOOBIES!"

[nacmacfeegle 0]

"to never fly above or below a group of freeflyers"
Same thing aplies to RW.......
My tuppence worth, she should have gone on her back, not her belly, and as Trey said, never get directly above or below a formation. If you are on your back, its easy to target your relative ascent and hopefully avoid any drama.
However I believe in the benefits of a blame free debrief, and therefore was there any pre dive planning discussion etc.........
Cya
D
GR# 37
Remember how lucky you are to see and touch the sky; the blind may only dream.

[Levin 0]

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The low person shot to belly to get back up and "whack" the two went pack to pack in a pretty hard impact.

i didn't see this the first time i read it. i read it but it didn't click for me that she went to her belly. that's totally her fault and yall's fault for putting yourselves in that position in the first place. if she doesn't have enough experience to know not to go to belly under someone then she shouldn't be on anything bigger than a two way.

[airdrew20012001 0]

In her defense, she has a ton of experience and is a very competant freeflyer and an extremely competant belly flyer/instructor. I think the comment that she shouldn't do anything other than two ways is a bit harsh, especially considering the bare bones nature of the post I left. But hey, that's just what I think.
Drewfus McDoofus

[CanEHdian 0]

Without this thread turning to flame... the bottom line is somebody 'corked' (call it an abrupt level adjustment, sudden speed change... call it what you want for whatever type of dive you're doing - it's still a cork) and if/when this happens, the responsibility lies on that person... um, the 'corker'... if I can call her that. ;-)
If we concentrate on the positive... some good points were brought up (using clean airspace to change speeds, flying in a manner that allows constant visual contact, etc...) and hopefully someone has learned from this.
Cheers,
CanEHdian

[nacmacfeegle 0]

Drewfuss dude, whats your take on apportioning blame in this instance.......Levin is a very capable freeflier, and I personally value his opinion on many safety issues And in Levin's defence, corking is a no-no regardless.
This is what happens when someone loses situational awareness, something a freeflier with loads of experience should not do....
"After all, the belly flyer in the group was falling at normal belly speed."
If they were not going that fast how did the 'cork' happen, and how hard was the collision....really....or was more like a standard RW type under, ..no air,... biff,... type of thing.....
Cya
D
GR# 37
Remember how lucky you are to see and touch the sky; the blind may only dream.

[nacmacfeegle 0]

Ah okay Drewfuss you edited out some stuff while I was replying..
All is well.........I was fearing an outbreak of flames, which I never find that constructive.....
Cya
D
GR# 37
Remember how lucky you are to see and touch the sky; the blind may only dream.

[airdrew20012001 0]

It's all good.
Drewfus McDoofus

[Levin 0]

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In her defense, she has a ton of experience and is a very competant freeflyer and an extremely competant belly flyer/instructor. I think the comment that she shouldn't do anything other than two ways is a bit harsh, especially considering the bare bones nature of the post I left. But hey, that's just what I think.

from a safety standpoint i do not think my statement was too harsh. a vertical freefall collision will kill you just as quick as a bad hook turn. it doesn't matter if she has 10,000 belly jumps. the fact is she corked and caused a collision. it's a mental reflex out of a habit of belly flying. until she overcomes it she is dangerous on anything bigger than a two way. if she is such a competent skydiver then due to this experience she should be able to overcome it by her next jump. and as to the bare bones nature of your post, i should have replied to hookit's instead. he implied fault and i have a slightly varied opinion on that so my reply went off of what he said. sorry if i almost started a flame war.
levin
grat#40

[airdrew20012001 0]

S'all good, me no flame warior.
Drewfus McDoofus

[hookit 0]

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i should have replied to hookit's instead. he implied fault and i have a slightly varied opinion on that

Let's be clear here, folks. NO ONE is allowed to have an opinion which differs or even slightly varies from mine.

[nacmacfeegle 0]

"NO ONE is allowed to have an opinion which differs or even slightly varies from mine"
Got to agree with you on that one
Cya
D
GR# 37
Remember how lucky you are to see and touch the sky; the blind may only dream.

[hookit 0]

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Got to agree with you on that one

Now you're getting it!

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