skyjuggler 0 #26 October 20, 2003 Quote I confess I'm confused. All this discussion and it still looks like ordinary tracking to me... (The French have a way of embelishing and spicing up the common things.) Last I heard Marco and Gi were Italian and not French. Sure its tracking but just in a different angle. I have also heard of these terms and the angles that have been associated with them: "Tracking" is flat, "Atmonauti" is around 45 deg, "Tracing" a little steeper, "Flocking" which most freeflyers have heard of and "Head down" which is vertical. IMHO all these terms are used to describe angles which everyone can relate to in a briefing or for communicating with. Surely Freeflying is that, freeflying, all angles, trajectories, positions and speeds. I'm sure many people knew this atmonauti angle before its popularity took off via Gi and Marco, it's just that now it has become quite popular and people talk about Atmonauti jumps just like tracking and head down etc... As for difficult, have you seen Gi doing this feet first. Wow that is bad ass, and also I believe very difficult! But like anything, you have to train the discipline to get good at it! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WrongWay 0 #27 October 20, 2003 Okay, so is there anyone in AMERICA that's good at this?? I'd like to learn, but being the Ohio boy I am, I'm not too close to anywhere with someone who would know anything about how to fly atmonauti, let alone has heard of it. Wrong Way D #27371 Mal Manera Rodriguez Cajun Chicken Ø Hellfish #451 The wiser wolf prevails. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflydrew 0 #28 October 20, 2003 There's plenty of people who are good at this! Head over to Chicago in the summer and I bet someone out there could show you... Head over to Perris and someone out there could show you... Repeat for Eloy... Repeat for Florida... Go to France or Spain and you'll see it... I bet that you could find people in Texas too! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WrongWay 0 #29 October 20, 2003 This'd be awesome if I didn't live in Ohio!! Nearest place to me (Chicago) is an 8 hour drive, and I work Saturdays. I'll figure out a way to make it over there!! Wrong Way D #27371 Mal Manera Rodriguez Cajun Chicken Ø Hellfish #451 The wiser wolf prevails. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyjuggler 0 #30 October 20, 2003 Hey Wrong Way, In less than 2 weeks Project 10 kicks off in Perris. Marco and Gi will be there. I believe one of the aims for Project X was to provide an opportunity for the different styles of some of the best jumpers to be seen. As the great pond between our continents can be quite a gap, time and money, why not check out project X in Perris with the Flyboyz, Alchemey, Babylon, Ippo Fabbi, Frick Atmonauti (Marco and Gi). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites WrongWay 0 #31 October 20, 2003 I would but can't afford it. Oh well....... Wrong Way D #27371 Mal Manera Rodriguez Cajun Chicken Ø Hellfish #451 The wiser wolf prevails. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites VectorBoy 0 #32 October 21, 2003 QuoteOkay, so is there anyone in AMERICA that's good at this?? Quote Yes anybody that has been in a very aggressive flock. Like the straight portions of pylon racing. Your body is cranked into a 45 degree position but then you slow down to a shallower angle and turn around the pylon without going low or zooming away. who would know anything about how to fly atmonauti, let alone has heard of it. Its a big list but try anybody who can hang in on a very aggressive flock that starts in a head down then progresses to a fast angled 45 degree track : Flyboyz, alaska John, Omar, Olav, Rook, all of the instructers in the body flight schools. All of the top freeflyers and some very lucky amatuers that got to participate in things like the space games, etc, etc. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites VectorBoy 0 #33 November 3, 2003 I have to correct my previous post. As it has been explained to me that things like the pylon races are only head down but with a forward push. Still not as extreme as the true atmonauti. Marco and GI are here Perris showing x-team members how to do it and they are pulling off moves that are incredible. It seems to have an easy learning curve if you are a decent head down flyer. And the group can be bigger than what you would be comfortable in doing a purely head down big way. Angle to the horizon about 45 degree but that is estimated and that trim is adjustable for the requirements of the jump. Relative wind coming down on your head straight. Flight angle trim is achieved with the body. Hands and legs are used for manuevers and staying on level with the rest, as in a head down. Hopefully there will be film at eleven. Did I mention the X-fest is kickin! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Zenister 0 #34 November 4, 2003 QuoteAs for difficult, have you seen Gi doing this feet first. Wow that is bad ass, and also I believe very difficult! But like anything, you have to train the discipline to get good at it! i've had my jaw catching to much air while watching Andy Farrington flips over to track feet first...pretty easily hanging with the group who was otherwise moving out....after the first time i saw it someone said "just ignore the man in red...normal physics do not apply..."____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites WrongWay 0 #35 November 4, 2003 How the HELL would you track feet first???? I GOTTA see video..... Wrong Way D #27371 Mal Manera Rodriguez Cajun Chicken Ø Hellfish #451 The wiser wolf prevails. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DrNo 0 #36 November 4, 2003 Hi VecorBoy Please send my blessings to Marco and Gi and tell them that Gi still has to improve in relative work (they will understand...). My name is Arnaud Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites VectorBoy 0 #37 November 5, 2003 Yes I will Arnaud I promiss. But if I make Gi angry she won't fly wingsuits with me. Have I told you all we are loving the Atmonauti. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites uros678 0 #38 November 5, 2003 Check out this video...http://www.mondial03.com/FS_Borgnis3.rm ... if my memory serves me corect, right after the exit, she performs a feet first atmonauti track before she changes to the next weird flying position...heh...you gotta love the Frick atmonauti...I know I do... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Zenister 0 #39 November 5, 2003 QuoteHow the HELL would you track feet first???? I GOTTA see video..... wish i had some but i dont have a camera on my head yet. essentially he reverses the 'tracking shape' but the key really seems to be the transition and already having some good horizontal speed then smoothly 'flipping' actually IIRC he does more of a quick spin than a flip but its amazing to watch....____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites munchies 0 #40 November 6, 2003 Thats all the good freeflyers are rnning at my dz these days (toogoolawah). Not much vertical jumps anymore, mostly small groups of tracks and atmonauti. it runs off. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites VectorBoy 0 #41 November 7, 2003 I personally watched Gi do this on 4 jumps. She is not looking in the direction of flight but is rock solid stable, it is amazing. Back flip out the door into the feet first position. Come on all of you other freestylists, lets see you do this . Arnaud your message has been recieved. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BMFin 0 #42 November 10, 2003 Quote I personally watched Gi do this on 4 jumps. She is not looking in the direction of flight but is rock solid stable, it is amazing. Back flip out the door into the feet first position. Come on all of you other freestylists, lets see you do this . Arnaud your message has been recieved. I cant picture it.. How does he have hes hands ? He must be hands up i guess ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites VectorBoy 0 #43 November 10, 2003 I cant picture it.. How does he have hes hands ? He must be hands up i guess ? Gi is a she Gigliola, Picture someone in a stand feet and legs together arms and hands out and up high above the head like in a fast stand. But here is where it gets interesting. Her body is slightly arched and her head is tilted back looking above her travelling while 45 degrees to the horizon. There is a video and still pictures of some of this stuff on this very thread if you look back. There is also a video, I don't have it so don't ask me for it, of Fritz behind her doing a two handed spock on her while also in this atmonauti position. I was on the jump and have seen the video. Nice! We can hope that team frick will be releasing a full length feature showcase video of their stuff in the near future. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BBKid 0 #44 November 11, 2003 More relaxed body position, head-up not as important, steeper angle (as far as I know). Can you sideslip without changing heading and dock on a normal tracking dive? (Not a smartass question - I genuinely don't know since my tracking is poo) Nick --------------------------- "I've pierced my foot on a spike!!!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skygod7777 0 #45 November 14, 2003 is this video have this atmonauti thing in it. it looks like it, but then again, it kinda looks like a track dive too. http://www.ekstremsportveko.com/video/FSWH.wmv Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Vertifly 0 #46 November 14, 2003 That looks more like tracking. Atmonauti is supposed to be on a deeper angle. It would be cool to see a larger formation of atmonauti flyers on video. My guess is that it will be done soon enough. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites freeflyneo 0 #47 November 14, 2003 Pretty much its a fast flock that the french stole from us....we did that back in 97 and called it "FUN" they called us b?*@#%'s...couldnt keep up so they went home and out ran there locals, then it was something new,....wow, how things get switched around when your french and behind americans...hehehehehehe Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DrNo 0 #48 November 14, 2003 Just a few precisions. First, the atmonauti flight was developped by Marco and Gi, who are ITALIAN and not French.They imported it in France later in Lapalisse. Second, the flock has an angle closer to vertical. Atmonauti is around 34 to 45 degres from horizontal. The atmonauti is nor only flying with an angle, it also involves building big ways; Moreover, it is the first time I see someone tracking feet first Third, who cares if the americans are before or after the French. We have always had different ways of flying (you usually fly slower in head down and more in daffy), and both are interesting. Just compare Olav's style and Nicolas Arnaud's one. The important thing is to fly and learn as much as possible from each other and not to enter into sterile polemics. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites hookitt 1 #49 November 15, 2003 Agressive Flock RW is what you're saying. Call it what you will that's what it is. Flocking is anything from almost straight down to very horizontal. People have taken docks and built pieces in all those orientations for a long time. Some one one decided to develop it and give it a name. Good on them, they are outstanding flyers and they will go far. Heck I'm very impressed with those guys. It's fun and challenging. I don't have tons of experience at it precise angle flying but It's been going on for years. That is all. Good night :)My grammar sometimes resembles that of magnetic refrigerator poetry... Ghetto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Vertifly 0 #50 November 15, 2003 I'm not so sure. Flocking is a lot more easy to do big-ways on than atmonauti; this is especially true if you are the leader of the group. Also, generally speaking, in flocking and tracking there is an existing leader. In flocking, the relative wind is hitting the leaders' frontside. In tracking, the relative wind is hitting the leaders' back. Atmonauti is a more even playing field, Isn't it? There usually wouldn't be a leader present - just a base (whether they be on their back or stomach). For these reasons and more, I believe that it falls into its own catagory. Also, I've seen freeflyers that have 1000+ jumps who can NOT fly relative at a 45-degree angle. Flying relative isn't as difficult in a track or in a flock. You must agree that atmonauti adds difficulty to relative forward movement in the sky. 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WrongWay 0 #31 October 20, 2003 I would but can't afford it. Oh well....... Wrong Way D #27371 Mal Manera Rodriguez Cajun Chicken Ø Hellfish #451 The wiser wolf prevails. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VectorBoy 0 #32 October 21, 2003 QuoteOkay, so is there anyone in AMERICA that's good at this?? Quote Yes anybody that has been in a very aggressive flock. Like the straight portions of pylon racing. Your body is cranked into a 45 degree position but then you slow down to a shallower angle and turn around the pylon without going low or zooming away. who would know anything about how to fly atmonauti, let alone has heard of it. Its a big list but try anybody who can hang in on a very aggressive flock that starts in a head down then progresses to a fast angled 45 degree track : Flyboyz, alaska John, Omar, Olav, Rook, all of the instructers in the body flight schools. All of the top freeflyers and some very lucky amatuers that got to participate in things like the space games, etc, etc. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites VectorBoy 0 #33 November 3, 2003 I have to correct my previous post. As it has been explained to me that things like the pylon races are only head down but with a forward push. Still not as extreme as the true atmonauti. Marco and GI are here Perris showing x-team members how to do it and they are pulling off moves that are incredible. It seems to have an easy learning curve if you are a decent head down flyer. And the group can be bigger than what you would be comfortable in doing a purely head down big way. Angle to the horizon about 45 degree but that is estimated and that trim is adjustable for the requirements of the jump. Relative wind coming down on your head straight. Flight angle trim is achieved with the body. Hands and legs are used for manuevers and staying on level with the rest, as in a head down. Hopefully there will be film at eleven. Did I mention the X-fest is kickin! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Zenister 0 #34 November 4, 2003 QuoteAs for difficult, have you seen Gi doing this feet first. Wow that is bad ass, and also I believe very difficult! But like anything, you have to train the discipline to get good at it! i've had my jaw catching to much air while watching Andy Farrington flips over to track feet first...pretty easily hanging with the group who was otherwise moving out....after the first time i saw it someone said "just ignore the man in red...normal physics do not apply..."____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites WrongWay 0 #35 November 4, 2003 How the HELL would you track feet first???? I GOTTA see video..... Wrong Way D #27371 Mal Manera Rodriguez Cajun Chicken Ø Hellfish #451 The wiser wolf prevails. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DrNo 0 #36 November 4, 2003 Hi VecorBoy Please send my blessings to Marco and Gi and tell them that Gi still has to improve in relative work (they will understand...). My name is Arnaud Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites VectorBoy 0 #37 November 5, 2003 Yes I will Arnaud I promiss. But if I make Gi angry she won't fly wingsuits with me. Have I told you all we are loving the Atmonauti. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites uros678 0 #38 November 5, 2003 Check out this video...http://www.mondial03.com/FS_Borgnis3.rm ... if my memory serves me corect, right after the exit, she performs a feet first atmonauti track before she changes to the next weird flying position...heh...you gotta love the Frick atmonauti...I know I do... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Zenister 0 #39 November 5, 2003 QuoteHow the HELL would you track feet first???? I GOTTA see video..... wish i had some but i dont have a camera on my head yet. essentially he reverses the 'tracking shape' but the key really seems to be the transition and already having some good horizontal speed then smoothly 'flipping' actually IIRC he does more of a quick spin than a flip but its amazing to watch....____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites munchies 0 #40 November 6, 2003 Thats all the good freeflyers are rnning at my dz these days (toogoolawah). Not much vertical jumps anymore, mostly small groups of tracks and atmonauti. it runs off. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites VectorBoy 0 #41 November 7, 2003 I personally watched Gi do this on 4 jumps. She is not looking in the direction of flight but is rock solid stable, it is amazing. Back flip out the door into the feet first position. Come on all of you other freestylists, lets see you do this . Arnaud your message has been recieved. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BMFin 0 #42 November 10, 2003 Quote I personally watched Gi do this on 4 jumps. She is not looking in the direction of flight but is rock solid stable, it is amazing. Back flip out the door into the feet first position. Come on all of you other freestylists, lets see you do this . Arnaud your message has been recieved. I cant picture it.. How does he have hes hands ? He must be hands up i guess ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites VectorBoy 0 #43 November 10, 2003 I cant picture it.. How does he have hes hands ? He must be hands up i guess ? Gi is a she Gigliola, Picture someone in a stand feet and legs together arms and hands out and up high above the head like in a fast stand. But here is where it gets interesting. Her body is slightly arched and her head is tilted back looking above her travelling while 45 degrees to the horizon. There is a video and still pictures of some of this stuff on this very thread if you look back. There is also a video, I don't have it so don't ask me for it, of Fritz behind her doing a two handed spock on her while also in this atmonauti position. I was on the jump and have seen the video. Nice! We can hope that team frick will be releasing a full length feature showcase video of their stuff in the near future. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BBKid 0 #44 November 11, 2003 More relaxed body position, head-up not as important, steeper angle (as far as I know). Can you sideslip without changing heading and dock on a normal tracking dive? (Not a smartass question - I genuinely don't know since my tracking is poo) Nick --------------------------- "I've pierced my foot on a spike!!!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skygod7777 0 #45 November 14, 2003 is this video have this atmonauti thing in it. it looks like it, but then again, it kinda looks like a track dive too. http://www.ekstremsportveko.com/video/FSWH.wmv Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Vertifly 0 #46 November 14, 2003 That looks more like tracking. Atmonauti is supposed to be on a deeper angle. It would be cool to see a larger formation of atmonauti flyers on video. My guess is that it will be done soon enough. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites freeflyneo 0 #47 November 14, 2003 Pretty much its a fast flock that the french stole from us....we did that back in 97 and called it "FUN" they called us b?*@#%'s...couldnt keep up so they went home and out ran there locals, then it was something new,....wow, how things get switched around when your french and behind americans...hehehehehehe Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DrNo 0 #48 November 14, 2003 Just a few precisions. First, the atmonauti flight was developped by Marco and Gi, who are ITALIAN and not French.They imported it in France later in Lapalisse. Second, the flock has an angle closer to vertical. Atmonauti is around 34 to 45 degres from horizontal. The atmonauti is nor only flying with an angle, it also involves building big ways; Moreover, it is the first time I see someone tracking feet first Third, who cares if the americans are before or after the French. We have always had different ways of flying (you usually fly slower in head down and more in daffy), and both are interesting. Just compare Olav's style and Nicolas Arnaud's one. The important thing is to fly and learn as much as possible from each other and not to enter into sterile polemics. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites hookitt 1 #49 November 15, 2003 Agressive Flock RW is what you're saying. Call it what you will that's what it is. Flocking is anything from almost straight down to very horizontal. People have taken docks and built pieces in all those orientations for a long time. Some one one decided to develop it and give it a name. Good on them, they are outstanding flyers and they will go far. Heck I'm very impressed with those guys. It's fun and challenging. I don't have tons of experience at it precise angle flying but It's been going on for years. That is all. Good night :)My grammar sometimes resembles that of magnetic refrigerator poetry... Ghetto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Vertifly 0 #50 November 15, 2003 I'm not so sure. Flocking is a lot more easy to do big-ways on than atmonauti; this is especially true if you are the leader of the group. Also, generally speaking, in flocking and tracking there is an existing leader. In flocking, the relative wind is hitting the leaders' frontside. In tracking, the relative wind is hitting the leaders' back. Atmonauti is a more even playing field, Isn't it? There usually wouldn't be a leader present - just a base (whether they be on their back or stomach). For these reasons and more, I believe that it falls into its own catagory. Also, I've seen freeflyers that have 1000+ jumps who can NOT fly relative at a 45-degree angle. Flying relative isn't as difficult in a track or in a flock. You must agree that atmonauti adds difficulty to relative forward movement in the sky. I'll speak for myself when saying that I am more careful about which/how-many jumpers fly with me at a 45-degree angle. No doubt about it. Yikes!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 Next Page 2 of 3 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
VectorBoy 0 #33 November 3, 2003 I have to correct my previous post. As it has been explained to me that things like the pylon races are only head down but with a forward push. Still not as extreme as the true atmonauti. Marco and GI are here Perris showing x-team members how to do it and they are pulling off moves that are incredible. It seems to have an easy learning curve if you are a decent head down flyer. And the group can be bigger than what you would be comfortable in doing a purely head down big way. Angle to the horizon about 45 degree but that is estimated and that trim is adjustable for the requirements of the jump. Relative wind coming down on your head straight. Flight angle trim is achieved with the body. Hands and legs are used for manuevers and staying on level with the rest, as in a head down. Hopefully there will be film at eleven. Did I mention the X-fest is kickin! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #34 November 4, 2003 QuoteAs for difficult, have you seen Gi doing this feet first. Wow that is bad ass, and also I believe very difficult! But like anything, you have to train the discipline to get good at it! i've had my jaw catching to much air while watching Andy Farrington flips over to track feet first...pretty easily hanging with the group who was otherwise moving out....after the first time i saw it someone said "just ignore the man in red...normal physics do not apply..."____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WrongWay 0 #35 November 4, 2003 How the HELL would you track feet first???? I GOTTA see video..... Wrong Way D #27371 Mal Manera Rodriguez Cajun Chicken Ø Hellfish #451 The wiser wolf prevails. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrNo 0 #36 November 4, 2003 Hi VecorBoy Please send my blessings to Marco and Gi and tell them that Gi still has to improve in relative work (they will understand...). My name is Arnaud Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VectorBoy 0 #37 November 5, 2003 Yes I will Arnaud I promiss. But if I make Gi angry she won't fly wingsuits with me. Have I told you all we are loving the Atmonauti. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
uros678 0 #38 November 5, 2003 Check out this video...http://www.mondial03.com/FS_Borgnis3.rm ... if my memory serves me corect, right after the exit, she performs a feet first atmonauti track before she changes to the next weird flying position...heh...you gotta love the Frick atmonauti...I know I do... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Zenister 0 #39 November 5, 2003 QuoteHow the HELL would you track feet first???? I GOTTA see video..... wish i had some but i dont have a camera on my head yet. essentially he reverses the 'tracking shape' but the key really seems to be the transition and already having some good horizontal speed then smoothly 'flipping' actually IIRC he does more of a quick spin than a flip but its amazing to watch....____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites munchies 0 #40 November 6, 2003 Thats all the good freeflyers are rnning at my dz these days (toogoolawah). Not much vertical jumps anymore, mostly small groups of tracks and atmonauti. it runs off. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites VectorBoy 0 #41 November 7, 2003 I personally watched Gi do this on 4 jumps. She is not looking in the direction of flight but is rock solid stable, it is amazing. Back flip out the door into the feet first position. Come on all of you other freestylists, lets see you do this . Arnaud your message has been recieved. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BMFin 0 #42 November 10, 2003 Quote I personally watched Gi do this on 4 jumps. She is not looking in the direction of flight but is rock solid stable, it is amazing. Back flip out the door into the feet first position. Come on all of you other freestylists, lets see you do this . Arnaud your message has been recieved. I cant picture it.. How does he have hes hands ? He must be hands up i guess ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites VectorBoy 0 #43 November 10, 2003 I cant picture it.. How does he have hes hands ? He must be hands up i guess ? Gi is a she Gigliola, Picture someone in a stand feet and legs together arms and hands out and up high above the head like in a fast stand. But here is where it gets interesting. Her body is slightly arched and her head is tilted back looking above her travelling while 45 degrees to the horizon. There is a video and still pictures of some of this stuff on this very thread if you look back. There is also a video, I don't have it so don't ask me for it, of Fritz behind her doing a two handed spock on her while also in this atmonauti position. I was on the jump and have seen the video. Nice! We can hope that team frick will be releasing a full length feature showcase video of their stuff in the near future. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #39 November 5, 2003 QuoteHow the HELL would you track feet first???? I GOTTA see video..... wish i had some but i dont have a camera on my head yet. essentially he reverses the 'tracking shape' but the key really seems to be the transition and already having some good horizontal speed then smoothly 'flipping' actually IIRC he does more of a quick spin than a flip but its amazing to watch....____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
munchies 0 #40 November 6, 2003 Thats all the good freeflyers are rnning at my dz these days (toogoolawah). Not much vertical jumps anymore, mostly small groups of tracks and atmonauti. it runs off. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VectorBoy 0 #41 November 7, 2003 I personally watched Gi do this on 4 jumps. She is not looking in the direction of flight but is rock solid stable, it is amazing. Back flip out the door into the feet first position. Come on all of you other freestylists, lets see you do this . Arnaud your message has been recieved. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BMFin 0 #42 November 10, 2003 Quote I personally watched Gi do this on 4 jumps. She is not looking in the direction of flight but is rock solid stable, it is amazing. Back flip out the door into the feet first position. Come on all of you other freestylists, lets see you do this . Arnaud your message has been recieved. I cant picture it.. How does he have hes hands ? He must be hands up i guess ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VectorBoy 0 #43 November 10, 2003 I cant picture it.. How does he have hes hands ? He must be hands up i guess ? Gi is a she Gigliola, Picture someone in a stand feet and legs together arms and hands out and up high above the head like in a fast stand. But here is where it gets interesting. Her body is slightly arched and her head is tilted back looking above her travelling while 45 degrees to the horizon. There is a video and still pictures of some of this stuff on this very thread if you look back. There is also a video, I don't have it so don't ask me for it, of Fritz behind her doing a two handed spock on her while also in this atmonauti position. I was on the jump and have seen the video. Nice! We can hope that team frick will be releasing a full length feature showcase video of their stuff in the near future. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BBKid 0 #44 November 11, 2003 More relaxed body position, head-up not as important, steeper angle (as far as I know). Can you sideslip without changing heading and dock on a normal tracking dive? (Not a smartass question - I genuinely don't know since my tracking is poo) Nick --------------------------- "I've pierced my foot on a spike!!!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skygod7777 0 #45 November 14, 2003 is this video have this atmonauti thing in it. it looks like it, but then again, it kinda looks like a track dive too. http://www.ekstremsportveko.com/video/FSWH.wmv Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vertifly 0 #46 November 14, 2003 That looks more like tracking. Atmonauti is supposed to be on a deeper angle. It would be cool to see a larger formation of atmonauti flyers on video. My guess is that it will be done soon enough. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflyneo 0 #47 November 14, 2003 Pretty much its a fast flock that the french stole from us....we did that back in 97 and called it "FUN" they called us b?*@#%'s...couldnt keep up so they went home and out ran there locals, then it was something new,....wow, how things get switched around when your french and behind americans...hehehehehehe Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrNo 0 #48 November 14, 2003 Just a few precisions. First, the atmonauti flight was developped by Marco and Gi, who are ITALIAN and not French.They imported it in France later in Lapalisse. Second, the flock has an angle closer to vertical. Atmonauti is around 34 to 45 degres from horizontal. The atmonauti is nor only flying with an angle, it also involves building big ways; Moreover, it is the first time I see someone tracking feet first Third, who cares if the americans are before or after the French. We have always had different ways of flying (you usually fly slower in head down and more in daffy), and both are interesting. Just compare Olav's style and Nicolas Arnaud's one. The important thing is to fly and learn as much as possible from each other and not to enter into sterile polemics. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hookitt 1 #49 November 15, 2003 Agressive Flock RW is what you're saying. Call it what you will that's what it is. Flocking is anything from almost straight down to very horizontal. People have taken docks and built pieces in all those orientations for a long time. Some one one decided to develop it and give it a name. Good on them, they are outstanding flyers and they will go far. Heck I'm very impressed with those guys. It's fun and challenging. I don't have tons of experience at it precise angle flying but It's been going on for years. That is all. Good night :)My grammar sometimes resembles that of magnetic refrigerator poetry... Ghetto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vertifly 0 #50 November 15, 2003 I'm not so sure. Flocking is a lot more easy to do big-ways on than atmonauti; this is especially true if you are the leader of the group. Also, generally speaking, in flocking and tracking there is an existing leader. In flocking, the relative wind is hitting the leaders' frontside. In tracking, the relative wind is hitting the leaders' back. Atmonauti is a more even playing field, Isn't it? There usually wouldn't be a leader present - just a base (whether they be on their back or stomach). For these reasons and more, I believe that it falls into its own catagory. Also, I've seen freeflyers that have 1000+ jumps who can NOT fly relative at a 45-degree angle. Flying relative isn't as difficult in a track or in a flock. You must agree that atmonauti adds difficulty to relative forward movement in the sky. I'll speak for myself when saying that I am more careful about which/how-many jumpers fly with me at a 45-degree angle. No doubt about it. Yikes!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
