DrNo 0 #1 October 4, 2003 Hi everyone I'd like to know how widespread is the atmonauti flight. We do a lot of it with Marco and Gi in Lapalisse (France). It is becoming more and more common in France. There is even one atmonauti figure in the championship program. However I don't know how widespread it is abroad, specially in the US. Bue sky Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WrongWay 0 #2 October 4, 2003 To be quite honest, I've never even heard of it. Could you please elaborate so that those of us who haven't been over to Europe since we started jumping will have some clue what's going on?? Thanks!!!! Wrong Way D #27371 Mal Manera Rodriguez Cajun Chicken Ø Hellfish #451 The wiser wolf prevails. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrNo 0 #3 October 4, 2003 The atmonauti flight is a 45 degres angle flight, either on belly or on the back. It was invented by Marco Tiezzi and Gigliola Borgnis. Basically, the position is the same as in head down but with the upper part of the body creating an angle, not at all like the track position. Unlike a track where people follow the reference, eveyone in the jump has to be at the head level, just like a head down big way but switching the horizontal reference level to a 45 degres reference level. The feelings are great. The atmonauti flight is more efficient than the track. You can reduce your vertical speed down to 155 km/h. On the other hand, you can have much more control over the movements and it is pretty easy to construct jumps with many people gripping each other and it is accessible to people who don't yet master the head down. Gi even does it feet firsts, standing in the angle. So far, she's the only one to be able to do it. I did not think it was possible before seeing it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WrongWay 0 #4 October 4, 2003 Hmm.......it all sounds very cool, but I'm not sure how to picture the body position, or the relation to the horizon. do you have any pics to perhaps clear this up?? I'd love to try it. Any tips??? THANKS!!! Wrong Way D #27371 Mal Manera Rodriguez Cajun Chicken Ø Hellfish #451 The wiser wolf prevails. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ifics 0 #5 October 4, 2003 OoooOoOOo please show pic's!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrNo 0 #6 October 4, 2003 Well I've been trying to find pictures or articles on the web without any success or I only founf articles in French or Italian. It is hard to explain by words but easy to show to someone. Basically, on the ground , imagine that you are head down in a nice straddke. The legs are open and the arms on the sides of the chest, not too high. Now, don't move your legs but push your chest forward and slightly bend your knees. You look like a toad and you are in the belly position. It is the reverse for the back position. The best is to do it with an experience atmonaut for the first time, in order to pick up the right angle. What I can say is that it is closer to the horizontal that to the vertical. When you are flying on your belly, look between your legs and that is where you should see the fellows flying on their backs. On your belly, the visual is mostly on the groung and on the back you only see the sky. Horizontally speaking, the people on their backs have to remain after the ones on their belly and the ones that are above the formation have to be in front of the ones below. As I said, the reference level is switched from a vertical one to a 45 degres reference. Consequently, there is no problem of depression. Regulate the proximity by adjusting your angle. For example, if you are on the back but to low, push on your arms andmove your chest forward, then your angle will be more flat. If you are on the belly, move your chest forward and your angle will increase. I hope I made it clear. It can be a little tricky at the begening to get the proper angle, but believe me, it can be great fun because you can easily put 10 to 20 people in a atmonauti jump safely. When you find the right angle, you will feel like the absence of gravity. Its is pretty weird and hard to explain. In case you do not manage, come to France next summer for the Vichy Boogie and we'll convert you to the atmonauti tribe. If you know someone you understands italian, visit http://www.frick-atmonauti.com/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrNo 0 #7 October 4, 2003 Hi guys, these are the pistures I have found. I don't know if you cfan really realize the angle from these. They include a tandem atonauti. Besides, what is the max size of attachments? I have other pictures of Gi standing in the angle and others but I can not reduce them lower than 600kb in jpg (or they will look very bad) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflydrew 0 #8 October 4, 2003 Quote Gi even does it feet firsts, standing in the angle. So far, she's the only one to be able to do it. I did not think it was possible before seeing it. Gi incorporated it into the beginning of one of her routines at the World Cup... I think it's her. Either way it's dope. -drew Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeedToJump 0 #9 October 4, 2003 QuoteThe atmonauti flight is more efficient than the track. You can reduce your vertical speed down to 155 km/h. Please explain how this is more efficient than tracking and what you mean by efficient (slower vertical, faster horizontal?)Wind Tunnel and Skydiving Coach http://www.ariperelman.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrNo 0 #10 October 4, 2003 What I call efficiency is the horizontal speed/ vertical speed ratio. I don't know the exact term in English. According to Marco, this ratio can be better in atmonauti than in normal track because of the body position. It can seem strange because your body has more angle in atmonauti flight than in track, but it is more aerodynamic and thus creates a kind a lift effect (like a canopy). On some pictures, you can see that the rigs of the ones flying in the belly is lifted from the body due to this lift effect. This is how you can reach low vertical speeds. The higher your horizontal speed is, the lower your vertical speed is. In tandem, Marco can fly at 180 km/h without the small stuff to slow you down (sorry, I don't now the term in English). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrNo 0 #11 October 4, 2003 Well, the problem is that it was the freestyle competition, so you don't see very well the angle because you have no reference. However, I found it pretty cool when I saw her gripped by two guys in normal atmonauti, demonstrating that you can do the vertical stuff also in an angle., including eagles; spoks... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflyanvil 0 #12 October 4, 2003 QuoteOoooOoOOo please show pic's!!!! even if this pic doesnt explain anything, it was still fun to draw .Vid "stons fal, evrysing fals, but doesnt on purpos change its flite pas an positioning..." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fedykin 0 #13 October 5, 2003 atmonauti, or astroMcnaughty , is basically just tracking. if you break horizontal flight down into various aspect as in 1. high angle 2. low angle with high speed and low speed caveats astromcnaughty is just high angle low speed tracking if you look at it over the last couple of years though, using espace boogie as the benchmark, it has gotten progressively shallower and shallower, its now more or less RW with everyone on thier backs now very interesting thouh Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
breadhead 0 #14 October 5, 2003 Check out these videos! -1- Freefly team Babylon, round 2. The 3rd block is the atmonauti compulsory (handgrip, barrel rolls, handgrip). Watch the 45deg angle! Clicky: http://www.mondial03.com/FFM_FRANCE_Babylon_R2.rm -2- Freestyle team Frick Atmonauti. At the beginning of the free routine, Gi demonstrates feet-first-atmonauti for a few seconds (right after the initial frontloop after the exit). Clicky: http://www.mondial03.com/FS_Borgnis3.rm (Plenty more where that came from: http://www.mondial03.com/modules.php?name=Videos). You might want to watch Alchemy's video as well, while you're there! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vertifly 0 #15 October 5, 2003 Could someone type this in IPA (International Phonetic Alphabet)? In other words, How do you pronounce "Atmonauti"? Is it, "At-Mah-Naw-Tee" ??? I've done it before but never had a name for the angle like that. Relative work is more challenging in mostly because of burbles. Head-level fall rate is super important. Those vids don't do the moves justice because they make it look sooooo easy. As for slowing your vertical fallrate down, hmmmm? Between tracking and the atmonauti, it would really depend on a persons body shape/positioning/weight. Technically, in the "atmonauti", you are presenting less surface area to the relative wind. Unless your legs are arched behind the flyer, so that they are more flat (which would create a wing shape of the human body), there would be additional lift that would slow fall-rate. Perhaps I'll organize one at the halloween boogie... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflydrew 0 #16 October 5, 2003 QuoteHow do you pronounce "Atmonauti"? Is it, "AtÌMahÌNawÌTee" ??? Ought - mow - naughty (drew's phonetic alphabet, not the international one) -drew Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
apoil 0 #17 October 6, 2003 Quote In other words, How do you pronounce "Atmonauti"? Is it, "At-Mah-Naw-Tee" ??? In New Jersey, yeah. But the guys who invented it, being french or maybe italian, the latin base would come into play. The "proper" pronunciation would be At Mo Now Tee But since it's an intentional corruption of "astronaut" you can just pronounce it like that and probably get away with it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
78RATS 0 #18 October 6, 2003 Could you discuss spotting and exit order for this type freeflying? Rat for Life - Fly till I die When them stupid ass bitches ask why Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
melstarr 0 #19 October 6, 2003 Bonjour Arnaud! I have seen Gi & Marco in action on the internet. Although I haven't seen many people in the US fly the atmonauti ~ Of course Gi rocks everytime i see her perform it^^ I have been studying it and hope to one day sucessfully fly the atmonauti ~ It would also be nice to visit Lapalisse ESpace Boogie* au revoir pour maintenant~ --espoir de vous rencontrer un jour au espace boogie--** yaaaaaay! ~ meL* Pink Mafia / Tunnel Mafia Sister Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflydrew 0 #20 October 6, 2003 The frick fly website has a lot of info on it... The Frick Fly Atmonauti Page translated by Google Or the main page The Frick Fly Main Page Translated by Google -drew Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WrongWay 0 #21 October 7, 2003 I'd just like to state the fact that Melstarr has the coolest avatar on the face of the planet!! You could say I have an obsession with vampires....... Wrong Way D #27371 Mal Manera Rodriguez Cajun Chicken Ø Hellfish #451 The wiser wolf prevails. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lazyfrog 0 #22 October 7, 2003 I don't think atmo is tracking... in a track, you use the resistance on the air and your position to get lift. in atmo you slide on the air---------- Fumer tue, péter pue ------------- ourson #10, Mosquito Uno, CBT 579 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrNo 0 #23 October 8, 2003 Hi Mel It-'s pretty easy to fly the atmonauti properly. It comes pretty fast, specially if you are already good in head down. his why it's cool: you can easily put to people in an atmonauti jump without the dangers of a 20way head down if the flyers are not very experienced. Then see you in Espace Boogie next year in the atmonauti big ways (there are going to be plenty) Arnaud Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
apoil 0 #24 October 19, 2003 Quote It-'s pretty easy to fly the atmonauti properly. It comes pretty fast, specially if you are already good in head down. his why it's cool: you can easily put to people in an atmonauti jump without the dangers of a 20way head down if the flyers are not very experienced. I really wish you'd stop saying this.. In my experience, quite the opposite is true. I only attempt atmonauti with seriously competent head down slot flyers. Consider this: the world meet in france included an atmonauti 2way point. Dock, simultaneous 360, re Dock. And every team, including champions alchemy reported that it was extremely difficult. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kirils 1 #25 October 20, 2003 I confess I'm confused. All this discussion and it still looks like ordinary tracking to me... (The French have a way of embelishing and spicing up the common things.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
