silvere 0 #1 January 8, 2004 I bought my uncle's old racer off of him. I hate the container, but he sold the whole rig to me for 1200. I figure I'll get a g3 later on down the line. for now I need to make this rig safe for freeflying. I'm replacing the pull out with a boc (someone packed it wrong when I was in eloy and it wouldn't open!!!!) I'll add tuck tabs. anything else you guys can think of...better safe than sorry. thanks Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hookitt 1 #2 January 8, 2004 Old Racer and Free Fly friendly generally don't go together. You can get away with it much of the time but it doesn't necessarily make it a good Idea. Common answers will be, Replace the velcro, and I've jumped mine x number of times with no trouble. The little tiny cover flaps on the shoulders of a racer open very easily. If the top of the reserve packtray, near the riser covers, at the yoke, allow air to enter into the riser channel it will simly peel the sides open. Unfortunately that can happen even with new velcro. If the entire side of the container is open exposing the riser, it will pull out part of the line group from the main container, and also very probably remove a toggle from it's keeper and fling it about. Extremely entertaining malfuntions are possible. I have direct experience with old racers and freeflying. You are wise to get rid of the Pullout. The pull out design is little to be desired. It's hit or miss. If you fly head down or also do lots of flippy and twisty stuff, you are asking for trouble on many old style Racers. What size parachutes What year and model Type 17 or type 8 risers? Do you have the capability to send me some pictures? From the side and especially near the top of the rig. Multiple angles would be nice.My grammar sometimes resembles that of magnetic refrigerator poetry... Ghetto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NightJumper 0 #3 January 8, 2004 This is easy to do. I sent you a PM. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hookitt 1 #4 January 8, 2004 Send me the information so I'll stop hammering the product. Convince me.My grammar sometimes resembles that of magnetic refrigerator poetry... Ghetto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #5 January 8, 2004 Just post it... I'm wanting to see this too since there is a death trap of a Racer at my DZ and the kid is cheap and wants to freefly in it. If I could fix it... I'd feel better.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #6 January 8, 2004 QuoteI'm wanting to see this too since there is a death trap of a Racer at my DZ and the kid is cheap and wants to freefly in it There's one of those at almost every DZ. So posting it, especially in G&R would be awsome!--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NightJumper 0 #7 January 8, 2004 Did you all read his post? He wants to change to a throw out BOC and add tuck tab riser covers. So I told him to send it to me and I could make the changes plus any factory updates. No big deal. When it comes to modifications to containers or harnesses most good riggers will tell you to send it to the factory where they do it all of the time and have all of the templates etc. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hookitt 1 #8 January 8, 2004 So basically, rebuild a bunch the rig. Sounds reasonable.My grammar sometimes resembles that of magnetic refrigerator poetry... Ghetto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NightJumper 0 #9 January 8, 2004 Just changing out the riser covers and adding a BOC pouch. About an hours work for someone that knows what they are doing. I call it updating, but call it what you want. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hookitt 1 #10 January 8, 2004 heheh.. relax man. I haven't seen the updates. Just tell us openly in the first place. I'll be happy to suggest they send it to you for updates. By the way, got any pictures? I'd like to see them.My grammar sometimes resembles that of magnetic refrigerator poetry... Ghetto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
78RATS 0 #11 January 8, 2004 Quote I have direct experience with old racers and freeflying Me too and it smells alot like DEATH. My advice would be to NEVER jump an old racer while freeflying. I have an old racer and I won't even sell it to anybody. Don't want no blood on my hands. Don't do it. Just don't. Rat for Life - Fly till I die When them stupid ass bitches ask why Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freefalle 0 #12 January 9, 2004 I had an old racer and I had some mods done to it too. Contact Nancy at racer, there not very expensive. I had the velcro replaced, I had the "walrus Teeth" made stronger and I had Ghee flaps installed for better riser protection. You can have tuck tabs installed totalled doing away with the velcro but its a bit expensive. good luck enjoy it, theres nothing wrong with your container Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
silvere 0 #13 January 9, 2004 I just talked to my local rigger. he has my rig now (otherwise I'd post a pic) because I had a reserve ride on that last jump...cypres blew too which I just got back from ssk. I already have the boc, just not installed yet. he didn't seem too concerned about it and said the racer will be fine. he said I'll need to add tuck tabs and to keep the boc pouch tight and in good shape. but he could do more, but didn't really think it was necessary so far you guys suggested to: 1. Replace the velcro 2. tuck tab riser covers 3. "walrus Teeth" made stronger 4. Ghee flaps installed is there anything else? won't have the money for a g3 until next year and I want to make sure this one is safe as possible in the mean time. thanks a lot Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #14 January 9, 2004 You need to do one or the other of these: 1. Replace the velcro 2. tuck tab riser covers Stop and consider how much money its going to take to update this rig to be freefly safe. Compare that to the cost of a more current used rig that already is freefly friendly. Odds are there is only a couple hundred difference or less. I've had a few people at my DZ want to make Vector2's freefly friendly that looked like shit to start with. We figured they could get a used Mirage/Javelin for only about $350 -500 more then what they were going to invest into fixing their old gear. To them the 500 was only about 25 jumps and they could live with doing 25 less jumps to get safer gear.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
silvere 0 #15 January 10, 2004 a used g3 runs around $1000 right? and I have to find one that will fit a 170 main Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
paulharris 0 #16 January 10, 2004 quote "better safe than sorry." to be honest the amount of money you spend on buying the equipment and making it "FF friendly" (which by the way is a concept not a product) you might as well well buy a 'modern' container. Is the sake of a couple of hundred quid worth a prem at 200mph???????? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hookitt 1 #17 January 10, 2004 Quotea used g3 runs around $1000 right? and I have to find one that will fit a 170 main I'll PM you with a person who may very well be able you help you out with a very nice used rig, with or with out canopies.My grammar sometimes resembles that of magnetic refrigerator poetry... Ghetto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RMURRAY 1 #18 January 10, 2004 you can get a G3 for less than 1000! Check out the classifieds. I have a friends for sale for 650 - too small for you though... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
silvere 0 #19 January 10, 2004 I've looked and can't find anything...I've looked at mirages' webpage and think I need a M4. anywhere else I can look other than this webpage? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LouDiamond 1 #20 January 10, 2004 QuoteI've looked and can't find anything... Have you contacted Jump Shack to see how much it would cost to have those modifications made?"It's just skydiving..additional drama is not required" Some people dream about flying, I live my dream SKYMONKEY PUBLISHING Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
silvere 0 #21 January 10, 2004 NightJumper said it would be around $100 for factory updates and a reserve repack. other than that I have no idea how much I'm looking at. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LouDiamond 1 #22 January 10, 2004 Quoteit would be around $100 for factory updates and a reserve repack. Sounds like a pretty good deal compared to any of the other alternatives so far."It's just skydiving..additional drama is not required" Some people dream about flying, I live my dream SKYMONKEY PUBLISHING Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hookitt 1 #23 January 10, 2004 You can't beat 100 bucks. Send it in. Whatcha Waiting for.My grammar sometimes resembles that of magnetic refrigerator poetry... Ghetto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
payback462 0 #24 January 17, 2004 Quotebecause I had a reserve ride on that last jump...cypres blew too woah, do you mean you had a cypress fire?? did you have your reserve ride in eloy jumping with dusty sometime in november?? if so i think i saw it, that was LOW. how long was the canopy ride? 30, 40 seconds??? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WrongWay 0 #25 January 17, 2004 QuoteI've had a few people at my DZ want to make Vector2's freefly friendly that looked like shit to start with. Yeah no shit. You want an example, look at me. My first rig was an original Vector, all velcro. I made the mistake of trying to freefly in that rig, and it always scared the shit out of me, as I'm sure it did everybody else (like Phree ). Anyway, I had all the mods I could think of put on there at the time. I replaced all the velcro, added snaps to the riser covers, tried to make it freefly friendly. Even though these things helped, they didn't make it totally freefly safe. The moral of the story is, IMHO you should sell that Racer and get something MADE to be freefly friendly. It's better safe than sorry pal. Wrong Way D #27371 Mal Manera Rodriguez Cajun Chicken Ø Hellfish #451 The wiser wolf prevails. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
