Backsliding in a sit

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Unfortunately for my addictive personality I've been introduced to freeflying so I've been working on my sit.

I have a problem with backsliding in my sit. I've been told to push with my pelvis which I can see making a difference, but then it seems to make my fall rate slower. When I push with my feet to a stand the rate picks up but then so does the backsliding.

Anyone know any good solo drills I can do to work on this? It is really hard to tell what I'm doing wrong unless there is a reference and they are hard to come by most of the time.

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Hot Mama
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[Zenister 0]

lots of things can cause you to backslide in a sit, so focus on your basic position..

90 deg calves and thighs (feet on your butt defects wind forward from your shins causing a back slide.

torso 90 deg from thighs..leaning your torso forward defects wind as well causing a VERY fast backslide.

head centered above torso.. looking down between your legs cause air to spill off your neck creating a slower backslide...

once you are aware of 'neutral' for all these surfaces you can use these effects to make small and large movements at will..

i found (by accident really) that a drum throne (what they sit on) is a great tool for practicing your position on the ground..you can adjust it to the exact height for your legs to ba at 90s and as it has a small surface area it is pretty easy to tell if you leaning fwd/back....

my .02

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[JankyBob 0]

Try going up and working on your forward and backward movements. Backsliding is hard when you are trying to do it. This will help you find the nuetral position. It helps if you have someone up there with you so you can see your relative movement. Your most likely backsliding because your chest is getting air. Sit up straight and push the soles of your feet toward the ground. It helps a ton to have someone video you. Its usually pretty obvious what's going on once you see the video.

Good Luck!

Bob

[freakydiver 0]

IMHO - I see it as use the back of your back for drive. You wanna stop backsliding, lean your back into the relative wind a lil bit more. I've found that my back is my biggest rudder when it comes to moving forward... 90s are key, straight back, 90s at the knees, 90s at the thighs, etc. Get video as the others have been saying and you will see where you are over compensating.

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[ianmdrennan 2]

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I've found that my back is my biggest rudder when it comes to moving forward...

Correct but teaching pushing the pelvis forward will accomplish the same thing (getting the back into the relative wind), often with the student feeling less awkward with the movement, it's just important to explain to the student WHY you're teaching them to push their pelvis forward and what the results will be (including the slowed fallrate). Of course everyone learns in different ways so the trick is to find a way to relay the information to the student that they *get*.

Lisa, look me up next time you're in Thomaston. You know I'm always available for this kinda stuff

Blues,
Ian

Performance Designs Factory Team

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True true - good point.

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look me up next time you're in Thomaston. You know I'm always available for this kinda stuff

I thought you were trying to teach Tom how to sit. Couldn't resist.

I'm really just looking for ideas on what I can do when doing a solo to work on the backsliding and fallrate. I understand the dynamics of what you told me just can't put it to practice much and am not going to mess up someone else's jump just to work on it.

Would jumping with some type weighted ball work?

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Hot Mama
At least you know where you stand even if it is in a pile of shit.

[Zenister 0]

dont worry about "messing" up someone's jump. Anyone who would think you were doing that isn't giving back to the community that helped them...

my last several jumps at eloy before my accident (and even the last one) were several 2 way sitfly 'drill dives' basically exit, level, kneedock, 360, kneedock, 360, kneedock etc..

we'd started adding over unders as well on the last few and they were amazingly fun dives for me (as a fairly experienced freeflier) and it was sooooo cool to see someone grinning from ear to ear after every dive.. even those simply dive flows were entertaining for me and we were getting multiple 'points' on each dive...

a few "follow the leader" sitfly dives (with video) would do great things for your flying i'm sure..anyone who wont take a jump or two to play with you is being an asshat...

ps..please tell me the weighted ball comment was a joke....

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[piisfish 140]

are you aware of your arm position ?? if they are behind you, it brings your torso forwards, and make you backslide...
At least that's what it did to me

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[ianmdrennan 2]

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I thought you were trying to teach Tom how to sit.

Yeah well I like a challenge

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I understand the dynamics of what you told me just can't put it to practice much and am not going to mess up someone else's jump just to work on it.

Then lets talk about 'em a little more. Maybe there's a better way I can explain them to you. In the meantime what Zenister said is true. You're messing up no-one's jump. Everyone got where they are because people were willing to help them I've had many people chase me around the sky (sometimes they still do!!) and I've chased many people around they sky (and still will!). It's all part of the circle.

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Would jumping with some type weighted ball work?

That's not a nice way to talk about Chris!!!! I'm telling

Blues,
Ian

Performance Designs Factory Team

[hookitt 1]

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Your most likely backsliding because your chest is getting air. Sit up straight and push the soles of your feet toward the ground.

There ya go. Do that.

When you're pushing your pelvis forward, push your feet down harder as well. If you just push the pelvis forward, or present the back to the wind a bit more without pushing your feet down more, you will float.

Thanks Jank!

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anyone who wont take a jump or two to play with you is being an asshat

I've done a jump with Ian and a few with his wife Katie plus several with my ex boyfriend, but the guys are now on a team and training mostly while the girls are working more on the head down stuff which I have no business on until I get the sit nailed IMO.

So they are definitely giving back but just have other agendas too which I understand. it is more my choice not to mess up their dives than anything.

That said there has to be something I can do on a solo to improve things. I am very aware of my arms being in my sight now so I think that has helped. I am playing with getting more aware of my feet and leg trying to keep my stance wide and stable.

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Hot Mama
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[DrewEckhardt 0]

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are you aware of your arm position ?? if they are behind you, it brings your torso forwards, and make you backslide...
At least that's what it did to me

With your torso straight up and down one or both arms need to be back far enough to match what you're getting from your legs and feet.

As long as you're not rotating the drag on opposite sides of your center of gravity is balanced.

Moving your arms too far back will cause you to rotate until you achieve a new equilibrium leaning forwards. Too far backwards will have you reclining on a lazy boy. In the middle you'll have posture that will make grandma proud.

A slow sit with your thighs 90 degrees to the relative wind requires more correction and a near stand less. Wider sits take less correction and make hand docks in front of you easier.

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That's not a nice way to talk about Chris!!!! I'm telling

Silly man.... we were doing CREW! I was supposed to chase him and catch him too.

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Hot Mama
At least you know where you stand even if it is in a pile of shit.

[ianmdrennan 2]

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So they are definitely giving back but just have other agendas too which I understand. it is more my choice not to mess up their dives than anything.

We only train every alternate weekend and I YET to be on a dive that someone messed up Sure they don't always go as planned but we're all always learning!

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That said there has to be something I can do on a solo to improve things. I am very aware of my arms being in my sight now so I think that has helped. I am playing with getting more aware of my feet and leg trying to keep my stance wide and stable.

Having jumped with you I can say that the biggest thing you need to do is 2 ways right now. You're not a danger to anyone in 2 ways (you're not corking all over the place). You need a point of reference to lay base, or have you chase or something....just get in the air with people! Laying a sit base down the column without a visual reference or anything is one of the hardest things in FF to do!

Look me up on a weekend I'm not training. We can go do some 2 ways and you know Katie is always available too and is a shit hot sitflyer IMO.

Blue ones,
Ian

Performance Designs Factory Team

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Katie is ... a shit hot sitflyer IMO.

Well on her way to being amazing head down too.

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Hot Mama
At least you know where you stand even if it is in a pile of shit.