Jib 0 #1 November 15, 2004 An hour!! I can't wait!! www.tunnelcoach.com -------------------------------------------------- the depth of his depravity sickens me. -- Jerry Falwell, People v. Larry Flynt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
alanab 0 #2 November 15, 2004 totally! can i borrow $730 plus airfare so i can join ya? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflydrew 0 #3 November 15, 2004 They're charging $730 an hour??? So does that mean that they are charging $100 for coaching? edited: Their website says $850 an hour for tunnel camp... So if the tunnel is $630 an hour (which it is), that's $220 an hour for coaching? That's CRAZY expensive! I'm going to be totally honest here, and this is nothing personal, ok , but if you expect to charge $220 to coach in the tunnel, you should at least be pulling in some championships in some competitions or something. I mean, 4th place in Advanced class of a tunnel competition hardly qualifies you to be charging more than what some of the National champion freefly teams are charging for coaching. As well as 2nd place in intermediate freefly comps??? Like I said, nothing personal and no offense, but is this for real? For RW I'm sure it's a great experience, but for FF it looks like a rip off to me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ranchhand28 0 #4 November 16, 2004 For whatever it's worth, I've flown with Juliana, Joao Tambor, Fabian, Sean Mccormick and Carlos Euribe. They all charge $75 a half hour, and are all outstanding. I really see no reason to pay more $$ for less experience. With a little over three hours in the tunnel, I was doing some mad transitions with Carlos, which even included back layouts!! With that much cash flowing, you really want to get your money's worth. I vouch for all of the above. Although coach preference is soooooo personal.... Have fun y'all! Bloos, T Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lauras 0 #5 November 16, 2004 You're always going to have differences of opinion on how to efficiently train in the tunnel, but I think we can agree that utilitizing a coach is probably the most cost-efficient approach. The purpose of any tunnel camp is to be able to fly a lot in a short timeframe, but keep in mind that most people can't fly for more than 15 minutes per hour and fly strong throughout each rotation. Camps offer the unique opportunity to be able to fly 30 minutes to an hour or more in a single day, stacking your learning curve, while giving you breaks in between to get rest and build your energy level back up. AFAIK - If you were to go train by yourself, Skyventure Orlando charges $200 for a 15 minute block of time plus another $50 for one on one coaching on top of that. An hour block (which you have to fly solid, no breaks) is $630/hour and I think that's going up sometime soon. Some of the other coaches mentioned charge $75/30 minutes for coaching. Tunnelcoach.com charges $25/15 minutes, multiply that for the amount of time you're flying ($50/30 min, $100/hour, etc). freeflydrew - I'm not sure where you got the $850/hour rate, since TunnelCoach.com charges $730 during the camp. This is a great deal cheaper than a lot of other tunnel camps with the same amount and quality of coaching, feedback, etc. I believe with Martin & Sally you're getting some of the best coaching that you can find in Florida. They certainly wouldn't have combined efforts otherwise. And, as far as "nothing personal and no offense" goes, easy with throwing the term "rip-off" around. edited: because i can't spell & added some info on tunnel camps in general. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflydrew 0 #6 November 16, 2004 QuoteKeep in mind that most people can't fly for more than 15 minutes per hour and fly strong throughout each rotation. I flew 3 1/2 hours this summer in 1 hour blocks split with one other person and it was no problem. We did one hour saturday and another sunday on each of our trips down. We each payed $75 per half hour for individual coaching with some of the best skydive/Freefly/Tunnel coaches in the world. Quote An hour block (which you have to fly solid, no breaks) is $630/hour and I think that's going up sometime soon. You don't have to fly it straight... we all know you share the time between fliers... We're talking about 1 hour blocks, which are $630 an hour, plus an hour for coaching, which they're charging $25 per half hour more than the standard. Tunnel camps include other campers, so we can assume that there will be 1 hour blocks split between a couple of flyersat a rate of $630 an hour. Quote Some of the other coaches mentioned charge $75/30 minutes for coaching. Tunnelcoach.com charges $25/15 minutes or, as mentioned $100/hour. I'm not sure where you got the $850/hour rate, since TunnelCoach.com charges $730 during the camp. This is a great deal cheaper than a lot of other tunnel camps with the same amount and quality of coaching, feedback, etc. I believe with Martin & Sally you're getting some of the best coaching that you can find in Florida. They certainly wouldn't have combined efforts otherwise. Obviously you think it's worth it, otherwise you wouldn't have replied (or you're friends with them), but like I said, IMO, it's way expensive for 1 hour of coached tunnel time. What's funny is that the price on the website has been updated since my original post. There are plenty of great coaches in Florida, and most of them charge less than this... why they've combined efforts really doesn't concern me. Other tunnel camps include coached skydives, or hotel, etc... Quote And, as far as "nothing personal and no offense" goes, easy with throwing the term "rip-off" around. Charge more money per hour than some of the best flyers in the world and you open yourself up for criticism... Still looks like a rip off to me... The coaches that I've used in the past give a better rate than that, and are more experienced than that, with more students than that, more skydives than that, more hours in the tunnel than that, and better results in competitions than that, unless of course the bio on the webpage have just been updated as well... which it has!! this is too funny! Suddenly 500 more jumps and 60 hours in the tunnel (which is still a relatively small amount of time)! These days it seems like there are new tunnel/freefly schools opening up all over the place. I think it's funny how the relatively new "schools" are charging higher rates than the ones with more experienced flyers, more experienced coaches, and more satisfied clients. They're driving the rates up for everyone, a trend that other coaches will soon follow. They should be charging less, not more... I hope it's worth it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lauras 0 #7 November 16, 2004 you have your opinion, i have mine. i just don't think it's cool to slam a coach without having flown with them or their school. if you want to say that martin sucks as a coach because he doesn't compete frequently, again, you're entitled to your opinion. i think some people might think otherwise though. yes, i have been coached by both sally & martin a number of times and they are friends. big surprise. i've also been coached by bob healy, chromy, brian johnson, and a bunch of other "big name" flat coaches. every single one of them has added to my skill set. prices ranged from $75 to $150/hour. i respond better to some of them than others and those are the coaches i'll go back to. nothing personal and nothing to do with the price difference. no matter what, you're forking it over. i want coaching from someone who is a great teacher, flyer, debriefer, etc. not some shithead who's all "ooh, check out what i can do in the tunnel" but can't teach his way out of paper bag. one last thing - we must be doing math differently: you paid $75 / 30 minutes coaching tunnelcoach charges $50 / 30 minutes coaching how and where is tunnelcoach charging more? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflydrew 0 #8 November 17, 2004 OK, first, I never said Martin sucked as a coach...in fact, I'm sure that he's a great coach, ok? I did say that the price was too high (IMO) for coaching by someone with as little experience as He had listed on the tunnelcoach website. The pricing on the tunnelcoach website also listed an hourly rate of $850. Both the pricing and the coaches profile have since been updated. People, there are schools for freeflying and tunnel and swooping and many other things popping up all over the place, but especially down in Florida. Please make sure that you research who you hire to coach you by speaking to people who are not swayed by relationships in this sport. That's all... I'm sorry if I offended anyone. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jib 0 #9 December 14, 2004 Okay, so I flew with Martin. Sort of... I'm not the smallest guy to ever set foot in the tunnel and Martin worked his ass of to get me to fly. He showed me a bunch of ways to fly slower; I learned a helluva a lot about how much difference my arms, head and feet matter to sitflying. He estimated the tunnel speed at 125-130. For those of your who know me, even close 130?? So, I was happy with the time I spent in the tunnel albeit my ass was toasted after about 45 minutes. -------------------------------------------------- the depth of his depravity sickens me. -- Jerry Falwell, People v. Larry Flynt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
