Avion 0 #1 March 1, 2005 I just got a Vector 3 rig and was wondering if I should have the hacky sack changed to a pud, because I intend on doing some back & sit flying, and probable head down eventually. Anybody have any experience to mention about this? Thanks in advance, Brian Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeedToJump 0 #2 March 1, 2005 It will make absolutely no difference at all if you know how to fly. As long as your gear is freefly friendly you'll be fine. I'd worry more about doing AFF at this point then if your hacky is good for sit flying. Wind Tunnel and Skydiving Coach http://www.ariperelman.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Avion 0 #3 March 1, 2005 Hmm... The rigger who did the inspection also mentioned that I'm just trying to do some homework before I get there. In the mean time, I really getting the AFF itch. So, it's going to be soon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydiverek 63 #4 March 1, 2005 Check this thread for some good info on that matter: http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=1501286#1501286 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sunshine 2 #5 March 2, 2005 Dude, your avatar is a bit scary. Do you always wear your goggles even when not jumping? ___________________________________________ meow I get a Mike hug! I get a Mike hug! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #6 March 2, 2005 Yeah, awful. I'll bet it turns pink, and smells like onions if you freefly with it.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydiverek 63 #7 March 2, 2005 LOL, that was in Las Vegas wind tunnel!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GTAVercetti 0 #8 March 2, 2005 I am glad someone metioned it! Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Avion 0 #9 March 2, 2005 Quote Yeah, awful. I'll bet it turns pink, and smells like onions if you freefly with it. Uh oh! Onions are you sure? There seems to be an absence of a Hacky vs Pud thread. So, why do the manufacturers claim the pud is freefly friendly. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewnewell 0 #10 March 2, 2005 I think it something to do with the Hacky handle oscillating at high speeds and pulling the pilot chute out? Ive never seen it happen, but that dont mean it cant happen. I think the puds are better as they allow a the air to flow freely over the handle in most body positions causing very little movement of the handle? could that be it? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeedToJump 0 #11 March 2, 2005 Quote I think the puds are better as they allow a the air to flow freely over the handle in most body positions causing very little movement of the handle? There's probably less movement of the handle when using a PUD, but it's just personal preference really. I have two rigs, one with a hackey and the other with the pud style handle. I don't notice any difference in my flying or the way the air feels between the two rigs. Just make sure whatever you use that you train on the ground so it's no surprise in the air.Wind Tunnel and Skydiving Coach http://www.ariperelman.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Avion 0 #12 March 4, 2005 By the difference between the two, I imagine that the air can get behind the hacky somewhat and tend to pull the PC out of the pocket when sit or back flying. By design that is prevented with a pud. So, prehaps that's it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mattjw916 2 #13 March 4, 2005 Quote By the difference between the two, I imagine that the air can get behind the hacky somewhat and tend to pull the PC out of the pocket when sit or back flying. By design that is prevented with a pud. So, prehaps that's it. That's why you push the hackey into the BOC pouch securely and don't let it hang out of the pouch and flap around. Also, if the spandex is wearing out on the BOC, replace it. Mine is so tight I can't see any way that little hackey is going to be able to generate enough drag to pull the PC out. A quick handle-check before climb out ensures it is not drooping out of the BOC pouch as well. http://www.bigairsportz.com/art-pilotchute.php pay special attention to step 9 Thousands and thousands of jumpers FF with a hackey handle safely on a weekly basis. edit: spelling NSCR-2376, SCR-15080 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Avion 0 #14 March 4, 2005 You know I seen some pouches with the spandex all stretched out around the opening but the rest of the pouch is OK. Is that caused by stuffing the hackey inside the pocket? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #15 March 4, 2005 Quote That's why you push the hackey into the BOC pouch securely and don't let it hang out of the pouch and flap around. umm just to clarify, i hope you mean push the PC into the pouch securely... pushing the hacky into the pouch is a good way to ensure you have trouble finding your handle when you need it and perhaps contributing to an otherwise unnecessary reserve ride. (try twice then go to silver) i have a friend who's first reserve ride was from pushing the hack in while the rig was packed for travelling... a quick handle check could have prevented an excessively expensive jump....____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mattjw916 2 #16 March 4, 2005 uh yeah... that's why I linked to Brian's pics for clarification. I have seen some people that leave way too much slack and the hacky/monkeyfist/whatever will tend flap around in the wind if you get my drift. NSCR-2376, SCR-15080 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mattjw916 2 #17 March 4, 2005 Quote You know I seen some pouches with the spandex all stretched out around the opening but the rest of the pouch is OK. Is that caused by stuffing the hackey inside the pocket? That sounds like it is ready for replacement personally and I'd ask my rigger about it. My rig is over 4 years old and the spandex is still super-stiff FWIW. For clarification you don't leave the hackey _inside_ the pocket you shove it partially in to make sure the pilot chute is secure in the pocket and then pull it out slightly so that only the hackey is exposed and not the attachment point/PC/etc. If this is unclear, ask a rigger when you learn to pack... there are a thousand ways to fold/stow a PC, and they all work. Personally, I use a slight variation of Brian's method and have never had any problems at pull-time.NSCR-2376, SCR-15080 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Avion 0 #18 March 5, 2005 I had one packing lesson from a friend already, and she had me arrange it so the hacky was snug up against the pocket, but fully outside it, rather than partially inside it. I wish they would have just installed the bungee and the pud when I asked them to. Oh well, guess I get my A, then ask them again Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhys 0 #19 March 5, 2005 as mentioned a hacky is round and tends to flap around when exposed to the air speeds involved in freefly. parachte systems(formaly chute shop) have a pud that has a stiff setion that tucks underneath the riser protection on the side flaps this is the most secure system i have seen."When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #20 March 6, 2005 Bungie? What does a Bungie haave to do with anything?Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Avion 0 #21 March 6, 2005 Bungie, bungie did I say? It's that little thingy that keeps you legstraps from sliding down you legs when you sit fly. Do you think they're worth the $10 to install 'em? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeedToJump 0 #22 March 6, 2005 If you've got the 10 bucks then get it. Without it your leg straps can slide down and limit your range of motion. I've found it to be more annoying than anythign else, but it could be potentially dangerous if you try to move your leg and can't and then end up corking. It's also easy to remove if you don't like it.Wind Tunnel and Skydiving Coach http://www.ariperelman.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #23 March 6, 2005 You can't have one on and use a BM suit so I never bothered getting one. I've never had a need for one in about 500 freefly jumps so I might be doing something wrong.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #24 March 8, 2005 if your rig is sized for you you shouldnt need one.. but if your buying a used rig thats a pretty good fit otherwise i can see why its a good idea.... otherwise its just entertainment for the rest of us while your climbing in the plane ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thegman 0 #25 March 17, 2005 There are a couple of schools of thought when addressing this matter.If you are freeflying with a hackey and you lose your pilot chute prematurely then either you didn't have your pilot chute in the boc very well or you have a spandex boc that doesn't hold your pilot chute very well. That would indicate that your rig has some wear and tear on it. Also you can get a cordura boc that will not wear out as fast as spandex. I think as long as you have good gear and pack well the probability of a premature deployment whilst freeflying is not likely. Also I have heard of instances where the pud comes dislodged from the boc and is whipping around outside the boc. That sounds like it would more likely result in a premature deployment that a hackey. And one final thought. The Hackey is easier to grab that the pud. So my vote goes for the hackey. That's just me. -G http://www.freefallmaniacs.net Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
