toolbox 0 #76 November 27, 2006 Sorry,my computer social skills are worse than my personal ones. Remember,it's all fun and games until the pilot chute hits ya in the eye,and it's not yours. Thats why I fly a Mirage. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brumby 0 #77 December 12, 2006 Well, i made a nice purchase of a TSE Viper (Teardrop) It was, as i understand, manufactured for speed diving. It had thicker cut in laterels with holds the harness much tighter to your body to prevent any movement etc. With that i have a freefly pad and love it. Alot of people are purchasing these for that sole reason :-) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
toolbox 0 #78 December 12, 2006 Sounds like a nice rig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydiverek 63 #79 December 12, 2006 QuoteWell, i made a nice purchase of a TSE Viper (Teardrop) It was, as i understand, manufactured for speed diving. It had thicker cut in laterels with holds the harness much tighter to your body to prevent any movement etc. With that i have a freefly pad and love it. Alot of people are purchasing these for that sole reason :-) Any pictures Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites oosskis 0 #80 December 13, 2006 If you're looking for quick delivery, don't get a Javelin... Mirages are pretty quick... I've got a Voodoo and I just ordered another. Main reason: Sandy and Brenda have taken care of me. Replaced and lengthened a chest strap for free, replaced the riser covers (they are now no longer a problem), sent me a longer main lift web and my rig is still in good shape after more than a 1000 jumps on it. I go to Eloy quite a bit and they know me. I think it helps if you know the people who make your rig. The Voodoo is a good rig, nice and aerodynamic. I use a pullout and it's great, except I won't do wingsuit jumps, but then I wouldn't on my Velo either. When you order from the bigger guys you're just a number. A."Bodygolfing" isn't as much fun as it sounds. People get pissed when you don't replace your divets. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Brumby 0 #81 December 15, 2006 i have some pics but u havnt got a clue how to upload them onto the pc lol. Im not the best with computers Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bodhibody 0 #82 January 5, 2007 One of the newer Racers with low-profile cutaway handle option, pullout and speed bag reserve deployment. Before freeflying there was freestyle...take a look at what kind of rig that was being used by freestyle innovator Mike Michigan and read my Racer review for further insight into why the Racer is best. If you do the research and make a personal choice based on a rational decision making process, not peer pressure, the Racer makes sense. Racer fits your body like no other rig can. The only rig that has NOT gone through major changes over the years, because the original design was a good one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites RMURRAY 1 #83 January 5, 2007 QuoteOne of the newer Racers with low-profile cutaway handle option, pullout and speed bag reserve deployment. Before freeflying there was freestyle...take a look at what kind of rig that was being used by freestyle innovator Mike Michigan and read my Racer review for further insight into why the Racer is best. If you do the research and make a personal choice based on a rational decision making process, not peer pressure, the Racer makes sense. Racer fits your body like no other rig can. The only rig that has NOT gone through major changes over the years, because the original design was a good one. are you talking about the 2k3 or the elite (velcro up the sides - I like mine but do not FF with it) or the 2000? rm Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites 2shay 0 #84 February 14, 2007 vector 3 is great voodoo is great mirage is great javelins suck my opiniondon't try your bullshit with me!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites flipper 0 #85 February 24, 2007 Any modern Container with the correctly sized canopies will do the job Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites MrHixxx 0 #86 February 26, 2007 I've known of 2 mals from premees on Javelins. An Fx and a Stiletto that opened hard with damage and were chopped... -Hixxxdeath,as men call him, ends what they call men -but beauty is more now than dying’s when Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BenHall 0 #87 March 1, 2007 Apex DP hands down. . . all this debate about the pin cover flap tucking up or down, why not just go sideways?? Perfect setup for both head up and head down flying, no disadvantage to either. Guaranteed slimmer profile than your current freefly rig! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites 2shay 0 #88 March 1, 2007 finally im no the only one who has seen javlelins screw people. I used to jump one myself. so many people love them and think they are the absolute best and I just don't agreedon't try your bullshit with me!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PWScottIV 0 #89 March 8, 2007 Quotethe best freefly rig is a power racer Why is there a big target on the back of it? Is that where you push to open it?Gravity Waits for No One. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites vdschoor 0 #90 March 8, 2007 Quotefinally im no the only one who has seen javlelins screw people. I used to jump one myself. so many people love them and think they are the absolute best and I just don't agree I am a big Wings fan, but the thing about Javelin's screw people.. I wouldn't blame the manufacturer.. I think Javelin's are great containers as well, but since there are so many around.. you are more likely to see something happen with them.. just like there are a lot of complaints about Sabre2s opening weird.. Because there are so many around you are GOING to hear something bad about it.. Even if its not the gear that is to blame. Prematures are rarely to blame on the equipment (unless you are jumping really old gear) but more on how the owner of the equipment maintains it.. I don't think there would be so many Javelin's around if prematures were an issue.. So back on topic.. the best freefly rig? the rig that fits you best and most comfortably.. which is probably going to be a Wings Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Andrewnewell 0 #91 March 9, 2007 QuoteThe only rig that has NOT gone through major changes over the years, because the original design was a good one. You got to be kidding!!!! I'd personaly stay away from Racers, chasers and feardrops for freeflying! I like to feel like I have a well engineered and tight fitting container on when I freefly and not a bag of old socks strapped to my back. All this "it was good in my day" means jack shit if the development of a product fails to keep up with the changing pace of the sport! There are plenty of very good modern rigs out there i.e. Vector, mirage.... Go for one of these! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites 2shay 0 #92 March 14, 2007 every premi I have seen has been from the gear. Javelins need to have a few things happen: upward main closing closing flap, better riser covers and secondary riser covers, and do away with the pop top. I owned a javelin and the main flap was open almost every sit fly jump, and I have seen several friends with open riser covers and main flaps. I have seen he pilot chute spit out from under the pop top. These are pretty easy and pretty obvious fixes to me. But this is a completely different thread now, but that is what i have seen and experienced with javelin. When was the last time they have really changed anyhting abou the rig I have seen older ones and they all look barely different?don't try your bullshit with me!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites c2278222 0 #93 March 15, 2007 All I know is I have a Micron and I love it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Ugali 0 #94 March 21, 2007 QuoteI'll admit, though, the older Javs didn't stay closed worth a crap. Neither did Vector2s and other rigs of that era. I have jumped both an old style javelin (which i currently have) and a Vector II (my old rig) I agree Vector II's are suicidal when it comes to freeflying but I have never had a problem with my javelin (DOM 94), the bridal fits in tight and secure, no exposure, so does the pilot chute and both closing flaps are solid and have never flipped open. Tom, Tom Tom, Tommy, Tom Love Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites FlyinDawg 0 #95 May 21, 2007 I heard it's best to use Javelin with skyhook for friendly freefly rig. Also, it's best for back-fly and others skill for freefly? What about Wings and Mirage?Flyin' Dawg or SkyDog "To understand is to forgive, even oneself." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Cashmanimal 0 #96 May 22, 2007 I'll admit I haven't read every thread, but I have not seen any outright complaints of any substantial matter about Voodoo's. I have a Voodoo. It fits great, it feels great, it flies great, it functions great. Never had a riser cover pop open, bridle is guarded very nicely, main flap always stays closed very securely. Both handles are pillows. I feel 100% confident with my rig in everything I do. Of course, that is everything I do. I am sure SOMEbody could find something wrong with it. Because nobody, or thing, is perfect. Ever. Even if it was, some ass would find something to complain about. IMO, any modern, well-fitting rig is going to work great. It's just gonna come down to individual features. For example, the pockets for the handles on my Voodoo can be removed for inspection/repair. I like that. Some don't.It's all fun and until someone loses an eye... then it's just a game to find the eye Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites stayhigh 2 #97 May 23, 2007 whatever you are using and you trust with... that is the best freeflying rig,,,Bernie Sanders for President 2016 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites UPS 0 #98 May 24, 2007 About Vortex II (not to mix up with Vector II), they're price at about 1700 CAD, which is about 1850 US, and do the math for Euros. They're the cheapest container out there for freefly, but then again, you get what you pay for! There are alot in one of the DZ I go and there are the conclusions. Yup there bulletproof, I totally agree, but there's a huge lack of small details which makes a Mirage of a Micron. If your a women, don't buy one, closing it is frustrating even for a packer. The handle are situated really low, it less comfortable than a micron or a mirage, etc... But in the end, it will do the job, and you got what you paid for! Personnaly, I got G3 and I will probably stick with mirage if the skyhook gets there in time for a new rig in a year or two, if not I'll go with the micron for the extra safety the skyhook gives. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites obadz 0 #99 May 25, 2007 Quote About Vortex II (not to mix up with Vector II), they're price at about 1700 CAD, which is about 1850 US, and do the math for Euros. Can I buy 1850 USD for 1700 CAD from you? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites riggerrob 643 #100 June 25, 2007 The primary advantage - of tucking a main pin cover up - is that you can use a longer tuck tab. You can install an absurdly long pin cover, just not so long that it interferes with the reserve opening. On the other hand, a downwards-facing tuck tab is limited by the distance between the hinge and the loop. sure slanted shark's fins help a little, but downward facing tuck tabs are still limited in length. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 Next Page 4 of 7 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
oosskis 0 #80 December 13, 2006 If you're looking for quick delivery, don't get a Javelin... Mirages are pretty quick... I've got a Voodoo and I just ordered another. Main reason: Sandy and Brenda have taken care of me. Replaced and lengthened a chest strap for free, replaced the riser covers (they are now no longer a problem), sent me a longer main lift web and my rig is still in good shape after more than a 1000 jumps on it. I go to Eloy quite a bit and they know me. I think it helps if you know the people who make your rig. The Voodoo is a good rig, nice and aerodynamic. I use a pullout and it's great, except I won't do wingsuit jumps, but then I wouldn't on my Velo either. When you order from the bigger guys you're just a number. A."Bodygolfing" isn't as much fun as it sounds. People get pissed when you don't replace your divets. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brumby 0 #81 December 15, 2006 i have some pics but u havnt got a clue how to upload them onto the pc lol. Im not the best with computers Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bodhibody 0 #82 January 5, 2007 One of the newer Racers with low-profile cutaway handle option, pullout and speed bag reserve deployment. Before freeflying there was freestyle...take a look at what kind of rig that was being used by freestyle innovator Mike Michigan and read my Racer review for further insight into why the Racer is best. If you do the research and make a personal choice based on a rational decision making process, not peer pressure, the Racer makes sense. Racer fits your body like no other rig can. The only rig that has NOT gone through major changes over the years, because the original design was a good one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RMURRAY 1 #83 January 5, 2007 QuoteOne of the newer Racers with low-profile cutaway handle option, pullout and speed bag reserve deployment. Before freeflying there was freestyle...take a look at what kind of rig that was being used by freestyle innovator Mike Michigan and read my Racer review for further insight into why the Racer is best. If you do the research and make a personal choice based on a rational decision making process, not peer pressure, the Racer makes sense. Racer fits your body like no other rig can. The only rig that has NOT gone through major changes over the years, because the original design was a good one. are you talking about the 2k3 or the elite (velcro up the sides - I like mine but do not FF with it) or the 2000? rm Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2shay 0 #84 February 14, 2007 vector 3 is great voodoo is great mirage is great javelins suck my opiniondon't try your bullshit with me!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flipper 0 #85 February 24, 2007 Any modern Container with the correctly sized canopies will do the job Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MrHixxx 0 #86 February 26, 2007 I've known of 2 mals from premees on Javelins. An Fx and a Stiletto that opened hard with damage and were chopped... -Hixxxdeath,as men call him, ends what they call men -but beauty is more now than dying’s when Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BenHall 0 #87 March 1, 2007 Apex DP hands down. . . all this debate about the pin cover flap tucking up or down, why not just go sideways?? Perfect setup for both head up and head down flying, no disadvantage to either. Guaranteed slimmer profile than your current freefly rig! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2shay 0 #88 March 1, 2007 finally im no the only one who has seen javlelins screw people. I used to jump one myself. so many people love them and think they are the absolute best and I just don't agreedon't try your bullshit with me!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PWScottIV 0 #89 March 8, 2007 Quotethe best freefly rig is a power racer Why is there a big target on the back of it? Is that where you push to open it?Gravity Waits for No One. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vdschoor 0 #90 March 8, 2007 Quotefinally im no the only one who has seen javlelins screw people. I used to jump one myself. so many people love them and think they are the absolute best and I just don't agree I am a big Wings fan, but the thing about Javelin's screw people.. I wouldn't blame the manufacturer.. I think Javelin's are great containers as well, but since there are so many around.. you are more likely to see something happen with them.. just like there are a lot of complaints about Sabre2s opening weird.. Because there are so many around you are GOING to hear something bad about it.. Even if its not the gear that is to blame. Prematures are rarely to blame on the equipment (unless you are jumping really old gear) but more on how the owner of the equipment maintains it.. I don't think there would be so many Javelin's around if prematures were an issue.. So back on topic.. the best freefly rig? the rig that fits you best and most comfortably.. which is probably going to be a Wings Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewnewell 0 #91 March 9, 2007 QuoteThe only rig that has NOT gone through major changes over the years, because the original design was a good one. You got to be kidding!!!! I'd personaly stay away from Racers, chasers and feardrops for freeflying! I like to feel like I have a well engineered and tight fitting container on when I freefly and not a bag of old socks strapped to my back. All this "it was good in my day" means jack shit if the development of a product fails to keep up with the changing pace of the sport! There are plenty of very good modern rigs out there i.e. Vector, mirage.... Go for one of these! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2shay 0 #92 March 14, 2007 every premi I have seen has been from the gear. Javelins need to have a few things happen: upward main closing closing flap, better riser covers and secondary riser covers, and do away with the pop top. I owned a javelin and the main flap was open almost every sit fly jump, and I have seen several friends with open riser covers and main flaps. I have seen he pilot chute spit out from under the pop top. These are pretty easy and pretty obvious fixes to me. But this is a completely different thread now, but that is what i have seen and experienced with javelin. When was the last time they have really changed anyhting abou the rig I have seen older ones and they all look barely different?don't try your bullshit with me!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
c2278222 0 #93 March 15, 2007 All I know is I have a Micron and I love it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ugali 0 #94 March 21, 2007 QuoteI'll admit, though, the older Javs didn't stay closed worth a crap. Neither did Vector2s and other rigs of that era. I have jumped both an old style javelin (which i currently have) and a Vector II (my old rig) I agree Vector II's are suicidal when it comes to freeflying but I have never had a problem with my javelin (DOM 94), the bridal fits in tight and secure, no exposure, so does the pilot chute and both closing flaps are solid and have never flipped open. Tom, Tom Tom, Tommy, Tom Love Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FlyinDawg 0 #95 May 21, 2007 I heard it's best to use Javelin with skyhook for friendly freefly rig. Also, it's best for back-fly and others skill for freefly? What about Wings and Mirage?Flyin' Dawg or SkyDog "To understand is to forgive, even oneself." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cashmanimal 0 #96 May 22, 2007 I'll admit I haven't read every thread, but I have not seen any outright complaints of any substantial matter about Voodoo's. I have a Voodoo. It fits great, it feels great, it flies great, it functions great. Never had a riser cover pop open, bridle is guarded very nicely, main flap always stays closed very securely. Both handles are pillows. I feel 100% confident with my rig in everything I do. Of course, that is everything I do. I am sure SOMEbody could find something wrong with it. Because nobody, or thing, is perfect. Ever. Even if it was, some ass would find something to complain about. IMO, any modern, well-fitting rig is going to work great. It's just gonna come down to individual features. For example, the pockets for the handles on my Voodoo can be removed for inspection/repair. I like that. Some don't.It's all fun and until someone loses an eye... then it's just a game to find the eye Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stayhigh 2 #97 May 23, 2007 whatever you are using and you trust with... that is the best freeflying rig,,,Bernie Sanders for President 2016 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
UPS 0 #98 May 24, 2007 About Vortex II (not to mix up with Vector II), they're price at about 1700 CAD, which is about 1850 US, and do the math for Euros. They're the cheapest container out there for freefly, but then again, you get what you pay for! There are alot in one of the DZ I go and there are the conclusions. Yup there bulletproof, I totally agree, but there's a huge lack of small details which makes a Mirage of a Micron. If your a women, don't buy one, closing it is frustrating even for a packer. The handle are situated really low, it less comfortable than a micron or a mirage, etc... But in the end, it will do the job, and you got what you paid for! Personnaly, I got G3 and I will probably stick with mirage if the skyhook gets there in time for a new rig in a year or two, if not I'll go with the micron for the extra safety the skyhook gives. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
obadz 0 #99 May 25, 2007 Quote About Vortex II (not to mix up with Vector II), they're price at about 1700 CAD, which is about 1850 US, and do the math for Euros. Can I buy 1850 USD for 1700 CAD from you? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 643 #100 June 25, 2007 The primary advantage - of tucking a main pin cover up - is that you can use a longer tuck tab. You can install an absurdly long pin cover, just not so long that it interferes with the reserve opening. On the other hand, a downwards-facing tuck tab is limited by the distance between the hinge and the loop. sure slanted shark's fins help a little, but downward facing tuck tabs are still limited in length. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
