caspar 0 #1 June 30, 2006 hey guys, im going to getting training in spain for FF1 (UK qualifcation) in august. ive looked all through the bpa website for what you actually need to acheive to get this and cant find it, being a tard most likely. ive read this forum and other info and what i need to learn to become a good freeflyer etc. could someone post the document or a linjk to it please? i want to print it off and go through what i need to do and how to do it before i get my coaching so i can get the most out of my training. cheers! caspar"When I read about the evils of drinking, I gave up reading." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scoop 0 #2 June 30, 2006 Doesn't mean your a tard mate... honest http://www.bpa.org.uk/training%20manuals/BPA%20FREEFLY%20PROGRESSION%20MANUAL.doc This is more from coaches perspective but you can see in quite good detail what your supposed to achieve at each level Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zoter 0 #3 June 30, 2006 This is straight off Form F188, from the BPA website GUIDELINES FOR OBTAINING FREESTYLE/ FREEFLYING GRADE 1 (FF1) 1. Introduction Freestyle/ Freeflying Grade 1 (FF1) is designed to teach parachutists all the necessary skills for flying in a controlled “head up” body orientation, alone and with other parachutists. 2. Eligibility Parachutists must have completed at least a-e of the Formation Skydiving (FS) requirements. Whilst Formation Skydiving Grade 1 (FS1) is not a requirement it is certainly desirable. Appropriate and safe parachuting equipment should be used during all FF descents. 3. FF1 Requirements In order to obtain Grade 1 in Freestyle/ Freeflying (FF1) the parachutist must be introduced to FF by a CCI nominated FF2 Grade parachutist or equivalent of proven FF instructional ability, received a full safety brief and demonstrated the ability to:- a) Fly in a controlled sit/ stand position b) Control fall rate in a sit/ stand position b) Control forward and backward movement in a sit/ stand position c) Control turns in both directions in a sit/ stand position d) Fly relative to others in a sit/ stand position You can read the rest of this document here: http://www.bpa.org.uk/forms/docs/Form%20188%20-%20Guidelines%20for%20FF1%20&%202.rtf Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
caspar 0 #4 June 30, 2006 cheers guys. much appreciated"When I read about the evils of drinking, I gave up reading." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bengel 0 #5 July 1, 2006 just one question: where in Spain are you going to do the FF1?I'm a British nanny, and I'm dangerous! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
caspar 0 #6 July 1, 2006 im going to empuriabrava to do coaching with babylon. im told there is always someone there who can sign you off. in any case, in 10 coached jumps and the document saying what i need to learn i'll be able to fullfill all the requirements so if i dont get it signed off there i can always show my logbook and the footage of the coach jumps to my CCI back hom who can then sign me off."When I read about the evils of drinking, I gave up reading." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zoter 0 #7 July 1, 2006 If you dont already Freefly , 10 jumps is a bit ambitious to get signed off for FF1 ! I dont know many who have achieved this You wont do yourself any favours if you attend with the intention of getting your FF1 in 10 jumps......in fact it will work very much against you. Go get some coached jumps of some of the best freeflyers in the world and take it from there.....whatever level you bring back from that you can continue in the UK.......just about every DZ in the UK has 'someone' who can take over your training towards and sign you off for your FF1. Make sure the skills are your priority , and not just the sticker.....thats all I am saying Good luck , have fun ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
caspar 0 #8 July 1, 2006 i understand dude. but by aiming to get that sticker it proves that i have reached a level of skill that lets me be safe with others. ive done a bunch of solo's and found sit/stand pretty easy to get into and hold for the whole jump, can do turns keep heading. obviously backsliding and doing lots of other bad things and no-one to really comment on my body position (getting into bad habits). anyway, 10 coach jumps with solo's in between should be enough to get FF easily i reckon. ive been told by friends here that 10 coach jumps is probably a bit excessive for FF1. go to run. cheers for all the replies guys."When I read about the evils of drinking, I gave up reading." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stumpy 284 #9 July 3, 2006 Hey Caspar - i've just come back from a few days out there and a few jumps with those guys - you won't regret it!Never try to eat more than you can lift Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pendragon 1 #10 July 3, 2006 Quote ive been told by friends here that 10 coach jumps is probably a bit excessive for FF1. No amount of coaching is too excessive. Some people get it straight off (then struggle with head down later!) other's don't. Some think they sit-fly well but they don't. Besides, there's potentially a lot you can cover beyond a basic sit (docks, for example) - and staying relative to people who aren't compensating for you all the time! You're right to get some solos in-between though. Richard-- BASE #1182 Muff #3573 PFI #52; UK WSI #13 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
caspar 0 #11 July 3, 2006 true. ok i worded it badly. 10 coach jumps (with practising in between) is "probably" excessive when trying to acheive the mimum for FF1. obviously, as with everyone i want to be a shit hot skydiver so im more than happy to do 10 coach jumps. if i can take docks in sit after that many coach jumps i'll be happier than a pig in shit. "When I read about the evils of drinking, I gave up reading." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brumby 0 #12 July 7, 2006 I done about 25+ solo's before getting my coaching. Luckly i managed to get my FF1 within 5 coaching jumps. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nigelh 0 #13 July 7, 2006 Just my input here, but i'd recommend getting coaching from the start, that way you have a reference point and someone who can tell you what you you're doing right/wrong, If you're backsliding you could potentially go into the path, ot open above another group, and that's a bad thing! Don't be in any hurry to get your FF1, by all means it may say you're 'safe' to jump with other people, but FF1 is a basic qualification, It's going to take quite a few jumps to get good and even after you have that qualification yiu should still stick to 2 or 3 ways, People like Freejive www.freejive.com and Outbreak www.outbreak-freefly.com offer great coaching in the UK that could help you, Don't rush your Skydiving career, if you're safe, you have your whole life to jump and be a hot Skydiver I hope this helps-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ Sponored by NZ Aerosports, CYPRES 2, Tonfly & L&B Team Dirty Sanchez #232 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
caspar 0 #14 July 8, 2006 thats pretty much what im doing. ive messed around a bit trying it,as most do im sure. but i figure 3-4 days with 10 coach jumps and solo's in between is definitely going the right way. from what ive experienced freeflying kicks ass and id like to jump with my friends who are coming to spain and not only have safe jumps but fun jumps rather than ruining the jump or not being anywhere near them due to lack of skill. unforetunately im a bit of a holiday jumper. i like to do training when on holiday. if im not trying my hardest to asve for something i have no cash, more beer! so training is not really something id consider in the uk, i jump heer bt its to have fun and keep up my currency. i definitely agree with 2-3 ways although in perris a few months back i ended up doing a 7 way horny gorilla - sit jump. was originally a 2-way with a guy who had 700-1000 jumps. then others had jumps in that range, i had 100. although it was fucking fun and nothing bad happened, im not going there for a while yet...a good while. half asleep so apologies if i havent made sense."When I read about the evils of drinking, I gave up reading." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brabzzz 0 #15 July 8, 2006 Yeah, that and some freefly skills are really handy for doing hybrids. Only one thing's more annoying than a hybrid that doesn't launch well. Having to all go flat afterwards because the base can't hold a sit. Grrr. Mind you, the same can be said for the reverse situation - freeflyers that can't rise to the occasion and flat fly. That's just damn embarassing - it's all freefly, even the belly! Get a good stable 'FF1' headup level and then go somewhere like the Gap Vector Boogie. Especially if Eli turns up next year. For E3 per jump, you get organised loads where you learn a hell of a lot. Just jumping with 2-3 other people and no dirt dive is fun, granted, but you learn absolutely nothing. Anything you do, every grabby dock you get, is 'right' and makes a 'good' jump. Which is bollocks. A headup VRW/flocking/etc jump will push you to learn SO much more than just a 'fun/zoo' jump. Good luck, it's money well spent. My only regret is not getting more coaching at each and every opportunity i could. --------------------------------------- Ex-University of Bristol Skydiving Club www.skydivebristoluni.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kefran 0 #16 July 13, 2006 although here in Canada i've never hear anything about FF1 all i can tell is : the more coaching the better ! i now have around 100 FF jumps behind me and while i was rushing to get head down last year i finally focused on my stand up position and abilities to fly. last season was to be clotured by a 8 way sit flying ZOO ... funny but not really improving anything. Now i've come back to 2 - 3 ways jumps which are way better and i can clearly see progresses on each new jump. (2 ways are with the same friend each time and 3 are when we add the coach on our jumps, let say each jump out of 5) good luck for your FF1 ! by the way can someone tell me if this is a mandatory stuff to have if i want to jump with other FFers let's say in the US ? blue skies all !-------------------------------------------------- I never used 2 rocks to start a fire ... this is called evolution ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nigelh 0 #17 July 13, 2006 FF1 is part of a system we have in the UK to jump with other Freeflyers. FF1 Requirements In order to obtain Grade 1 in Freestyle/ Freeflying (FF1) the parachutist must be introduced to FF by a CCI nominated FF2 Grade parachutist or equivalent of proven FF instructional ability, received a full safety brief and demonstrated the ability to:- a) Fly in a controlled sit/ stand position b) Control fall rate in a sit/ stand position b) Control forward and backward movement in a sit/ stand position c) Control turns in both directions in a sit/ stand position d) Fly relative to others in a sit/ stand position If you want to read the whole document it's here http://www.bpa.org.uk/forms/docs/Form%20188%20-%20Guidelines%20for%20FF1%20&%202.rtf After this we have the FF2 which is the same but on your head. Hope this answers your question-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ Sponored by NZ Aerosports, CYPRES 2, Tonfly & L&B Team Dirty Sanchez #232 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kefran 0 #18 July 13, 2006 OK thanks :) i've take a look at our manuals here in Canada, we don't have anything like this until now. but i strongly think that with the increasing number of new jumpers coming directly to FF we should developp something like this FF endorsement blue skies !-------------------------------------------------- I never used 2 rocks to start a fire ... this is called evolution ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
