morris 0 #1 April 18, 2012 I´ve been told that dragplanes could put too much load/stress/force on the risers. Is that possible?? We are talking type 17 here if it comes to the risers and 1.6 loaded Storms regarding the canopies. I only know that after the second dragplane of the day in that configuration I had to take painkillers because my arms hurted very bad, even thou it wasnt any kind of serious injury, I couldnt even get out of my gear on my own, so there was really some kind of "tension in the system", way more - compared to a downplane. Any expertopinions out there? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
topdocker 0 #2 April 18, 2012 QuoteI´ve been told that dragplanes could put too much load/stress/force on the risers. Is that possible?? We are talking type 17 here if it comes to the risers and 1.6 loaded Storms regarding the canopies. I only know that after the second dragplane of the day in that configuration I had to take painkillers because my arms hurted very bad, even thou it wasnt any kind of serious injury, I couldnt even get out of my gear on my own, so there was really some kind of "tension in the system", way more - compared to a downplane. Any expertopinions out there? I don't see how you can have more force from a dragplane than you get with opening. There might be more force in a dragplane than in a downplane, but not a huge amount. What kind of grip are you using that is putting that amount of tension on your shoulders? topJump more, post less! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
morris 0 #3 April 18, 2012 QuoteI don't see how you can have more force from a dragplane than you get with opening. That´s what I though myself as well, but I wanted to make sure...! QuoteWhat kind of grip are you using that is putting that amount of tension on your shoulders? On that very jump the other guy had a "selfmade-velcro-thing" around his ankle I could get a grip on with my hands. We´ve been "connected" by legs as well (no way to describe how) but by far the most of the tension had been "taken" by my arms (especially the upperarms hurted so bad afterwards). While on that jump I´ve been completely upside down, on the jump before a little bit was missing to be completely "over the top" of my onw chute and on that one (the one before) I was holding on to his lowerharnes with just one hand, carrying most of the tension that way. Maybe that resulted in some very asymetrical tension on my body that as a result didnt like to do it again just an hour later...?! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
faulknerwn 38 #4 April 18, 2012 I have done tons of those jumps and never noticed anything different between drag planes and down planes as far as tension. I wouldn't worry about your risers breaking. My guess is that the storms have such an extreme angle of attack that it makes for more pressure? Almost all of mine were done on Lightnings which are more mellow.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
topdocker 0 #5 April 18, 2012 QuoteI have done tons of those jumps and never noticed anything different between drag planes and down planes as far as tension. I wouldn't worry about your risers breaking. My guess is that the storms have such an extreme angle of attack that it makes for more pressure? Almost all of mine were done on Lightnings which are more mellow.. I did a bunch with Expresses which also have a pronounced angle of attack, never found the need for artificial aids for the grip. Any grip that requires a ton of arm strength needs to be reworked. Avoid the "death straps" as well. topJump more, post less! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
morris 0 #6 April 19, 2012 Does it already qualifiy being called deathstrap if I´m holding onto it only with my bare hands? Any reason why I cant let go at any time?? Where can I find detailed information on a reasonable kind of leggrip? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
topdocker 0 #7 April 20, 2012 QuoteDoes it already qualifiy being called deathstrap if I´m holding onto it only with my bare hands? Any reason why I cant let go at any time?? Where can I find detailed information on a reasonable kind of leggrip? Any type of strap that a twist or misrouting can cause failure to release is a deathstrap. Over the years I have been able to mess up some pretty good looking systems rather easily, and if you think you can get a hook knife out and cut one of those as you are spiralling down, you might be having your last surprise. If it offers no mechanical advantage but merely and extended hand hold, then that would be okay. However, you have made it so one of your hands is occupied and the leg muscles are bigger and can handle more tension. (and the tension is directed down the long axis of the body, not away from the shoulder joint, possibly damaging the joint) The double leg wrap works great and we have used it for tri-by-sides even. I will see if my teammates can get some dirt dive photos this weekend, and I can figure out how to post them.... topJump more, post less! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pchapman 279 #8 April 20, 2012 Quote The double leg wrap works great Is that the one also known as a parabatic leg grip? (I'm not in tune with modern CRW practices.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
morris 0 #9 April 21, 2012 Some pics would be awesome! And very welcome! If possible not just pics of the double leg wrap "in place", but also how you get into it, somekind of a step by step "how to do it" "picturemap"... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pchapman 279 #10 April 21, 2012 While I'm guessing that the double leg wrap is the same thing as the parabatic grip, I don't know for sure. In any case, for the parabatic leg grip: There are a couple peoples' descriptions and one pic I posted a while back in a thread on downplanes, starting here: http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=3369487#3369487 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cmdrflyr 0 #11 April 27, 2012 A wise man once said... "hit the G.Y.M". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BrianM 1 #12 June 8, 2012 QuoteThe double leg wrap works great and we have used it for tri-by-sides even. I will see if my teammates can get some dirt dive photos this weekend, and I can figure out how to post them.... I posted some photos of tri-by-sides with the parabatics grip a few years ago here: http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=2498160#2498160"It's amazing what you can learn while you're not talking." - Skydivesg Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
