ManBird 0 #1 April 20, 2003 Remember the lesson with the gliders? Remember that curve that insues that when attaining the maximum forward speed, fall rate is increased as well? Well, I've been basing my flight on that principle, and felt I've really proved it to myself, but there are still those that doubt. OK, as you get forward speed, you get lift. Yay! Right? Well, as you get even more forward speed, you start to descend. Part of this is that you gain this additional speed by increasing the attack angle, which also increases fall rate. After having outtracked some maxed out Skyflyers with a GTi (though my fall rate was 25 MPH+ faster), I've decided I'd rather fall 60 - 70 and move forward at 90 rather than fall in the 40s and move forward 70 - 80. When I tell people this, most say, "Bullsh*t". I guess I'm just ranting. This is something that's totally standard and obvious in non-powered aerodynamics, but is, for some reason, denied by a lot of wingsuit flyers. I encourage everyone to try it. Get to "the sweet spot", then tilt forwards just a little more. Do it next to a fellow jumper or cloud and you'll see a huge difference. The comment I got to today was "we were right there, and then you just shot way ahead". I actually broke off/got separation by bolting forwards from the "sweet spot", rather than turning. Believe! Now! Dammit. I still have no skill, but boy can I tilt. Plus, there's my lameness. If I made a list of hams, I wouldn't be on it. (Edited to add the letter "n"... I need a cab)"¯"`-._.-¯) ManBird (¯-._.-´"¯" Click Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TB99 0 #2 April 20, 2003 Haha, Steve ... I never doubted you when you said it man ... but like we said, to each their own, right? If you want all that forward speed and less freefall time, by all means, do it! Everyone has their own personal goals when flying birdman Trailer 11/12 was the best. Thanks for the memories ... you guys rocked! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ManBird 0 #3 April 20, 2003 Right. Not even you really. It's not like I'm trying to tell people what to do or saying that I have any skill. It's just that we have this wingsuit thing, and it does some stuff that a lot of people don't know about or don't try. There's so much to be explored, and there sometimes I feel like I'm dismissed when I have any sort of theory that I want to put into practice. It's like when you KNOW that the sasquatch is leaving perverted messages on your parents' answering machine, and no one believes you... plus the stabbing. You know how when someone doesn't have a lot of experience at something and they think they're doing it right, wouldn't they don't know any better to tell that they're screwing up? I think that's what I'm doing. I think I'll shut up until someone I know who knows what they're talking about knows that I know what I'm talking about. Speaking of which, but the exact opposite... I jumped with Andy today, and it was good. No one I've jumped with has really been in the position/had the experience to tell me if what I was doing was right or wrong, so they never did. Or maybe they knew, but didn't tell me, or their advice just wasn't working for me. Andy definitely knows this stuff, and did a great job of communicating what to do right, even in the air. While I still have no skills, I now have goals. He's helped me find the right body position for me. And that's why you should consider a purchase of Andy within the next 30 days. My goal right now is to find a damn ATM machine in Florida. WTF? I can't do anything until I find one. I'm in the hole at DeLand because of Florida's lack of ATMs and oversizing of food. Batteries. Three of them."¯"`-._.-¯) ManBird (¯-._.-´"¯" Click Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TB99 0 #4 April 21, 2003 QuoteIt's like when you KNOW that the sasquatch is leaving perverted messages on your parents' answering machine, and no one believes you... plus the stabbing LOL ... lost me twice in that post ... that was 1 and the other was: QuoteAnd that's why you should consider a purchase of Andy within the next 30 days. Hehe ... anywho, there's an ATM at the Publix down the street ... I thought I told you that already??? Trailer 11/12 was the best. Thanks for the memories ... you guys rocked! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ManBird 0 #5 April 21, 2003 Down the street is too far for my lazy ass. I got a ride last night, and now I'm stylin' like Nancy Reagan on a porcupine (with an English saddle, of course). Maybe it's a good idea to not have one at the DZ. You'd have a lot of poor people. Poorer, that is. Poorer."¯"`-._.-¯) ManBird (¯-._.-´"¯" Click Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ManBird 0 #6 April 23, 2003 Now that I think about it, you wouldn't need to "tilt" in the Skyflyer at all, just rotate your arms a bit (if there are front deflectors). The idea is to get some more air over the top of the wing. Without the deflectors channeling the air, you kind of have to do it with a tilt, which drops you a lil' bit. In this sense, the Skyflyer really does give you the best of both worlds without compromise. Robert and Jari, you guys really are a couple clever ones. Admit it!"¯"`-._.-¯) ManBird (¯-._.-´"¯" Click Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
