Newbie 0 #1 July 23, 2003 i mean if i have sub 500 jumps (the UK requirement) I'm just curious, not really contemplating (don't even have the min 200 jump requirement yet), but just wondering how it would work (something to think about for the future maybe) I guess CCI's discretion would come into it too? "Skydiving is a door" Happythoughts Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gus 1 #2 July 23, 2003 At the moment I don't think there's an official BPA requirement for jumping birdman: the 200/500 jump numbers are BirdMan's own recommendations. I did my first flights with a little over 300 jumps, a briefing from a more experienced jumper and CCIs approval. GusOutpatientsOnline.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cpoxon 0 #3 July 23, 2003 QuoteAt the moment I don't think there's an official BPA requirement for jumping birdman: the 200/500 jump numbers are BirdMan's own recommendations. It's funny you should say that Gus, but the BPA have just issued some guidelines (i.e. not rules, but recommendations for CCIs and new jumpers): Form 235 - Guidelines for jumping a wingsuit (fixed) Section 2 (Qualifications and Prepartion) c. says: QuoteGrandfathering – Any jumper that does not meet the requirements to jump a wing suit but can demonstrate (I.e. Video/logbook entries) they have done so safely after instruction from an wing suit instructor abroad, may continue to do so. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gus 1 #4 July 23, 2003 Clicky no good. Try this one. Is this the document that you were helping Fordy prepare? It's interesting that it talks about things like deployment technique and not just the requirements, do similar documents exists for other diciplines like sky surfing? GusOutpatientsOnline.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Newbie 0 #5 July 23, 2003 QuoteAt the moment I don't think there's an official BPA requirement for jumping birdman: the 200/500 jump numbers are BirdMan's own recommendations. thats weird i thought that was BPA/USPA reg's? If it's not, and it's Birdman recommends, how comes the numbers differ between the US and UK? "Skydiving is a door" Happythoughts Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LouDiamond 1 #6 July 23, 2003 Birdman will sell you a suit at 500 jumps without having to take a first flight course. However, for those who have a minimum of 200 jumps in a very short time frame, meaning you are very current. They will allow you to jump a suit provided you seek instruction from a certified Birdman instructor and said instructor flies with you on your first flight."It's just skydiving..additional drama is not required" Some people dream about flying, I live my dream SKYMONKEY PUBLISHING Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gus 1 #7 July 23, 2003 I thought that 200 jumps was the minimum that BirdMan would teach a student with and that 500 was their minimum for flying the suit with no instruction. I don't know what the USPA regs are, or even if there are USPA regs. It's worth noting that I'm wrong on a very wide range of subjects a significant proportion of the time. But why should that stop me giving my opinion? GusOutpatientsOnline.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cpoxon 0 #8 July 23, 2003 QuoteI don't know what the USPA regs are, or even if there are USPA regs. Recommendations rather than regs: [url "http://www.uspa.org/publications/SIM/SIMtext/Section6.htm#69"]USPA SIM Section 6-9 Wingsuit Recommendations[/URL] You may get a feeling of déja-vu... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kimgriffin 0 #9 July 23, 2003 Hi Gus. You are right about the 200/500 jump numbers recommended to learn to fly BirdMan. Although, even if you do have 1000 jumps, it would still be best to learn from a BMI. In the beginning Jari started with 500 jumps as the recommendation. BirdMan changed to the 200/500 recommendation years ago. It's so good to see that the BPA is getting with the times. There are plenty of good BirdMan instructors in England to learn from now. Thank you to who ever made that happen (Andy?) ~Kim-Kimberly Griffin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Newbie 0 #10 November 7, 2003 QuoteQuoteAt the moment I don't think there's an official BPA requirement for jumping birdman: the 200/500 jump numbers are BirdMan's own recommendations. It's funny you should say that Gus, but the BPA have just issued some guidelines (i.e. not rules, but recommendations for CCIs and new jumpers): Form 235 - Guidelines for jumping a wingsuit (fixed) Section 2 (Qualifications and Prepartion) c. says: QuoteGrandfathering – Any jumper that does not meet the requirements to jump a wing suit but can demonstrate (I.e. Video/logbook entries) they have done so safely after instruction from an wing suit instructor abroad, may continue to do so. hi Craig - does this mean that if i have 200 jumps, and then have had instruction from you or some other BMI in the UK, i can then fly a wingsuit? Or does the 200 jumps minimum equate to 200 jumps within an 18 month period? Obviously all subject to CCI approval of course... "Skydiving is a door" Happythoughts Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
meekerboy 0 #11 November 7, 2003 Craig is a BM-I at Langar, I am a BM-I at Hibaldstow. The Chief Centre Intructor here follows the 500 jump limit (he has done a fair bit of WS also). He has let some people do it with less (375 >), however this has been because he knew them well over a period of years and they had done some WS at another DZ. A bit harsh. My personal feeling is, that I would want to see someones attitude and skills in a skydive first before taking them on if they had less than 500 jumps. Meeker BM-I Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Newbie 0 #12 November 7, 2003 Quote My personal feeling is, that I would want to see someones attitude and skills in a skydive first before taking them on if they had less than 500 jumps. Meeker BM-I thanks just out of curiousity, what sort of skills would you be looking for on that skydive? "Skydiving is a door" Happythoughts Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkymonkeyONE 4 #13 November 7, 2003 I'll tell you what I look for: "smoothness" in a tracking dive. Flailers need not apply a general "heads-up" attitude. other technical skydiving experience. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
