ManBird 0 #26 July 31, 2003 Quote- The SKYRAY IS in fact a device for human body flight!! 60% of the generated Lift comes from the body! I am not sure wether this is less than with most wingsuits. The good glideratio of the SKYRAY comes from the greatly reduced drag not from huge lifting surfaces. Therefore flying with a SKYRAY is totally differnt than Wingsuit flying. It´s much faster!Never looked at it like that. My definition has always been more in regards to the ability to shape the wing with body position and movement, as opposed to body to wing ratio of effect on the flight. Does the cat's wing get 60% of the lift from the body? I'd believe that figure would be a bit offset by the size of the wing. Don't get me wrong, the Skyray is a very, very cool device that I'd love to put on and would buy if I had the extra cash (that's not a criticism on the price (which I believe is justified and fair)). I realize how completely different the Skyray and wingsuits are, and that the forward speed and fall rate are much faster on the Skyray. It's the same reason that even though I have the S3, I also want to get a Classic, and I still fly my GTi... they are all very different experiences. True airspeed, with a wingsuit, I think we're getting up to 2.4:1, but are getting as high as 4:1 with the right tailwind, and would probably go above that with the uppers at much higher altitudes. What type of glide ratio were Christoph Aarns, Patrick Barton, and other accomplished Skyray flyers getting on the prototype... or even the regular Skyray, based on both true and indicated airspeeds? I'd think this stunt was cool if anyone else in the world did it. Especially Don Johnson. He'd go Miami Vice on that shit, yo."¯"`-._.-¯) ManBird (¯-._.-´"¯" Click Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeedToJump 0 #27 July 31, 2003 Video from BBCWind Tunnel and Skydiving Coach http://www.ariperelman.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bodypilot90 0 #28 August 1, 2003 did the french army really surrender after he landed Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cyberbandit 0 #29 August 1, 2003 Did he actually make dirt before he deployed? Team Mantis----Mantis #3 Stop Looking at Me Swan! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ManBird 0 #30 August 1, 2003 QuoteDid he actually make dirt before he deployed?I don't think so, note that in the video he was still over the ocean while under canopy. From what I'm hearing, he pulled pretty high and flew the rest of the trip under canopy and, as predicted, still claims the feat."¯"`-._.-¯) ManBird (¯-._.-´"¯" Click Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjasantos 0 #31 August 2, 2003 I agree that there are still too many sketchy details... All the information regarding exact data for the exit altitude, horizontal distance covered while flying the wings, time for the flight (skydive) from exit to opening and opening altitude... Also we could find some contradictions... First we've read in the news that Felix himself reported to have had difficulties on getting a reference for his flight from England towards France, due to the clouds (overcast), mentioning that just in the last 2000 meters (altitude? horizontal distance? wasn't specified) we had been able to see the torches of his landing team... now we can see in his website, that for that purpose he has followed a Pilatus Porter PC9... if he did that, why mention troubles with references? Just to make it look more difficult? Details would be welcome, as it is quite different to cover 35 Km in 10 minutes, 14 or 6m22s... Also which distance: 34, 35 or 36 Km? Which exit altitude: FL270, 30,000 ft, 10,000 m... ? Which opening altitude: 1,000 ft, 1,000 m or 4,000 ft? Playing with different figures already made public in the news, we can get average speeds as low as around 165 Km/h up to 333 Km/h... it's quite different (just the double)... It would be important these figures come out as exact as possible to avoid those comments of the numbers being worked out to suit the desired purpose and the "bets"... Blue Skies! ----------------------------- Mario Santos Portugal Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SKYRAYALBAN 0 #32 August 4, 2003 "True airspeed, with a wingsuit, I think we're getting up to 2.4:1, but are getting as high as 4:1 with the right tailwind, and would probably go above that with the uppers at much higher altitudes. What type of glide ratio were Christoph Aarns, Patrick Barton, and other accomplished Skyray flyers getting on the prototype... or even the regular Skyray, based on both true and indicated airspeeds?" Christoph and Patrick did around 3 with the "series size" Prototypes and more with the big one. average flight speed is over 220km/h with the small one and a bit less 190-200km/h with the big one. In thinner air the flight speed drastically increasses! in 10.000 m it should be around 350 km/h! With the smalll one they where able to achieve 0 m/s sink rate for a couple of seconds. This is proved by Airtech (CYPRESS) Flightspeeds where logged with GPS flying against or 90° to the wind (to ensure a landing at the DZ) ALBAN Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cobaltdan 0 #33 August 5, 2003 i do not believe there has been any record set here. gps datalogging is simple and accesable to ayone capable of performing this stunt and would provide exact proof of any feat. its pretty obvious that no meaningfull record of any kind was set, but then this was not about setting a record but simply about publicity. in that sense i would think a great success as images of redbull on the wing were picked up by news papers and tv around the world. sincerely, dan<><> www.extremefly.comDaniel Preston <><> atairaerodynamics.com (sport) atairaerospace.com (military) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
speedformula 0 #34 August 6, 2003 to all the moaners outhere that dont want to give credit to this dude because he didnt jump the wingsuit... . Edited to take out the pissy attitude in your post. Don't be a jackass in my forum....period -Chuck question: what would be the guestimated distance the S3 would covered jumping from the same point being flown by a proficient wingsuit flier ? Keeping it real 22x7 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ManBird 0 #35 August 8, 2003 Quotewhat would be the guestimated distance the S3 would covered jumping from the same point being flown by a proficient wingsuit flier? I'll overlook your trolling and try to answer your question. With the right (and realistic) tailwind, the same distance could be covered from about 27k or 28k. While the forward speed is not that of the Skyray, the fall rate offsets the figure to give you the same or better glide ratio. The problem would be stamina. It's hard to determine whether or not anyone would be able to fly maxed out for ten minutes. It'd take quite a bit of training/exercise. Also, other Skyray flyers would have been able to do the job much better than Felix."¯"`-._.-¯) ManBird (¯-._.-´"¯" Click Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
