ManBird 0 #1 September 28, 2003 So I've put my BASE PC pouch to use. 32" F-111 PC and 12' bridle. The bridle length may be excessive, but I'll be damned if I get another PC in tow. This setup allows me to dump in full flight, even if my arms get tired. I love it. It's just too damn easy. I had the shrivel flap stitched to the bridle permanently. The (slight) potential for horseshoes or messed up openings is definitely there otherwise if the shrivel flap is not bartacked or stitched down. I've switched back to my 9' bridle and 28" bridle to do some Pantz stuff and hop and pops and high pulls tomorrow (just got a new canopy and Pantz, and it is as addictive as my WS). Switching bridles, even with with just one d-bag, is quick and easy enough to make it worth it (and safer) to go with the two setups. Now that I'm able to push my flight right down to when I deploy, I'm adding a good ten or twenty seconds or to my time in the air. Though, foregoing aerobatics is recommended. I found that as I went to deploy, I'd only get the PC about halfway out before it would get yanked out of my hand (pulling from the BASE PC pouch puts the PC into the airstream immediately). If you're on your back and any PC is exposed, I could imagine it slipping out (as the BASE PC pouch is not spandex). Also, holding onto to PC too long, at least with this size, caused some heavy drag on the right side, inducing a line twist. Letting it go right away was not an issue."¯"`-._.-¯) ManBird (¯-._.-´"¯" Click Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #2 September 28, 2003 QuoteSo I've put my BASE PC pouch to use. 32" F-111 PC and 12' bridle. Be careful. There was a serious BASE accident back when BASE jumpers were playing with ultra long bridles. The bridle actually wrapped around the deploying canopy and entangled the slider. I seem to recall reading that the bridle in that case as 12', as well. Obviously, you could just cut away if it happened to you, but I just thought you would want to know.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
andy2 0 #3 September 28, 2003 whats the point of having a bridle that long? Why doesn't 9 foot bridle work for you (isn't that whats suggested for WS?)? --------------------------------------------- let my inspiration flow, in token rhyme suggesting rhythm... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kevin922 0 #4 September 29, 2003 Haha.. glad to hear someone else is using it, ever since I got my s3 i've been using it, i love it. Though mine was made too small so i've had to get creative on how to fold the PC Kevin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ManBird 0 #5 September 29, 2003 Quotewhats the point of having a bridle that long? Why doesn't 9 foot bridle work for you (isn't that whats suggested for WS?)? I had a PC in tow with a 9' bridle. This was primarily because I dumped in full flight. While it's not the best idea to dump in full flight all the time, there are situations where I like to fly hard right down to pull time (like going for personal distance or time records, or doing canopy/WS RW). The main reason for going up so drastically from 9' is that it's easier to start big and work my way down then it is to start small and lengthen, if needed. Now that I know how well the BASE pouch works, and that bridle length seems to be less of an issue, because the PC is introduced into the air stream and inflates immediately (you can feel it getting ripped out of your hand), I'm going to have two feet chopped off. Not the two feet on my legs, though. I use them sometimes. QuoteBe careful. There was a serious BASE accident back when BASE jumpers were playing with ultra long bridles. The bridle actually wrapped around the deploying canopy and entangled the slider. I seem to recall reading that the bridle in that case as 12', as well. Obviously, you could just cut away if it happened to you, but I just thought you would want to know. Thanks for the info. Would the presence of a deployment bag and kill line have had any affect in the situation with that mal? These, of course, would not be used in BASE, but with a d-bag, a kill line, and the same length bridle (and a canopy half the size), do you think that situation would be just as likely? I did express concern to TALONSKY before I first jumped it. I hadn't though of the bridle preventing the canopy from opening completely, but I had thought of it ending on the wrong side of the canopy, both during deployment and during a fast turn (turns ended out not being an issue at all). I also saw horseshoe potential, but hell... no PC in tow. I think 10' will be perfect. That's what Robi has his at, as well. Also, I do know about the whole F-111 and kill line calibration problem. I only use this setup on certain jumps, and I will replace it after 100 uses. I want a kill line so that I won't run into issues with the PC and bridle after the canopy opens, but I also want F-111 so that I can have a PC with a lot of surface area (to prevent a PC in tow), but without the snatch force of a ZP PC of that size. I still use my 9' bridle/28" ZP PC BOC for most jumps, including three of the wingsuit jumps I did yesterday. If this setup does present problems or potential, recognizable problems, I'll have no problem switching it out, eating $90, and writing this off as an experiment."¯"`-._.-¯) ManBird (¯-._.-´"¯" Click Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pbla4024 0 #6 October 2, 2003 Could you send picture of your set up? I'm unable to find photos of BASE pouch on bird-man pages. Fido Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kevin922 0 #7 October 2, 2003 Shrivel flap PC Pouch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VectorBoy 0 #8 October 2, 2003 Kevin or steve I would like to see a pic of the bridle and PC and how they both install in this system if you could. And you would use this system ONLY for base jumps right? Or would this be some kind of option for grey area jumps say like going lower than normal on a standard jump? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ManBird 0 #9 October 2, 2003 It's absolutely wonderful for skydives. Whether on a BASE jump or jumping out of a plane, you end up going the same speed, anyway. I'll try to get some pics soon."¯"`-._.-¯) ManBird (¯-._.-´"¯" Click Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VectorBoy 0 #10 October 2, 2003 My only concern would be in a high density flock, having someone else contact this exposed bridle and give me a deployment when I'm not ready for it and during a flight in the center of a flock. Although I've been lucky enough not to have experienced anything but very nice controlled wing grips. We have seen videos of the hairy near miss and I do personaly know people who have been bird pummeled. Its not that hard with our bigger burbles. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ManBird 0 #11 October 3, 2003 The chances of that happening are essentially the same as if the PC was at the BOC."¯"`-._.-¯) ManBird (¯-._.-´"¯" Click Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VectorBoy 0 #12 October 3, 2003 So this system is as "tight" as the BOC spandex? I have it on my S3 and would like to try it. It sounds like that it is a smoother, easier initial PC deployment. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ManBird 0 #13 October 3, 2003 It's different than spandex. The mouth holds the PC very well. Pitching from there puts the PC in the airstream immediately. It also depends on the size of the pouch and your PC. My 32" PC is nice and snug in there. I don't know how my 28" PC would do."¯"`-._.-¯) ManBird (¯-._.-´"¯" Click Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ManBird 0 #14 October 5, 2003 Quote Kevin or steve I would like to see a pic of the bridle and PC and how they both install in this system if you could. And you would use this system ONLY for base jumps right? Or would this be some kind of option for grey area jumps say like going lower than normal on a standard jump?Took pics of the assembly process and will write a little thingy up for here and stuff. At the DZ and forgot to bring the camera to pull the images down, but I'll do that on Monday."¯"`-._.-¯) ManBird (¯-._.-´"¯" Click Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kevin922 0 #15 October 5, 2003 QuoteQuote Kevin or steve I would like to see a pic of the bridle and PC and how they both install in this system if you could. And you would use this system ONLY for base jumps right? Or would this be some kind of option for grey area jumps say like going lower than normal on a standard jump?Took pics of the assembly process and will write a little thingy up for here and stuff. At the DZ and forgot to bring the camera to pull the images down, but I'll do that on Monday. I use it for EVERY jump.. i was surprised that BM didn't have any info on the system and how to install the shrivel flap, I went back and forth with Robert (from birdman) via email trying to make sure my rigger was doing it right.. what kind of stitch how far down, etc.. i'll have to dig up the emails and take some pics for ya but yeah.. I use it for EVERY jump.. *HOWEVER* if you plan on doing a bunch of aerobatics (a lot of back flying) I highly recommend you use the BOC. Barrel Rolls are okay, but if you're exposing a lot of air to the pouch it's a little risky in my opinion. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kevin922 0 #16 October 5, 2003 QuoteIt's different than spandex. The mouth holds the PC very well. Pitching from there puts the PC in the airstream immediately. It also depends on the size of the pouch and your PC. My 32" PC is nice and snug in there. I don't know how my 28" PC would do. My pouch is small and my 28 is very tight in there, so tight I had to figure out a different way to fold the PC as it wouldn't fit in there with a "normal" fold, had to make it long and thin and shove it up in there.. i'll take some pics this weekend of the whole system and do a writeup. Kevin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
