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QuoteElsinore rented me gear when I had about 35 jumps and it had an AAD in it and they checked to make sure I had turned it on before I got on the plane, so maybe they were just being safe with a newbie.
At Perris, they'll make you turn on the AAD on rental gear before you even leave the gear shop. My personal rule is to turn mine on (Cypres2) in the parking lot, before I lift my rig out of the car. Ditto for my audible.
I know two highly experienced jumpers, each with thousands of jumps and one a former world champion, who were saved by AADs when they were injured too badly to pull any handles. There was also an instructor killed at Elsinore when he couldn't find his reserve handle after a cutaway - an AAD may or may not have saved him, but as his rig didn't have one, he never had that chance.
In the old days, too many people went in with no pull for reasons known only to themselves. That almost never happens anymore. Arguments against using AADs are based on either a macho mentality, or a misguided cheapskate approach to economy.
Sold!
BTW: Anyone want to sell a used Cypress or Vigil?
QuoteBTW: Anyone want to sell a used Cypress or Vigil?
I hear there are a bunch of them in the forrests
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QuoteQuoteBTW: Anyone want to sell a used Cypress or Vigil?
I hear there are a bunch of them in the forrests
Forrest Gump?
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Arguments against using AADs are based on either a macho mentality, or a misguided cheapskate approach to economy.
I don't think the money issue should be discounted. If you really can't afford an AAD and choose to jump without one, I don't see it as a noticeable improvement to safety. Most AAD fires are due to loss of altitude awareness, which is entirely preventable with or without an AAD. The situations where you are rendered incapacitated or unconscious seem infrequent, and can be mitigated by risk management and jump planning. The issue of finding your reserve handle is dealt with by using an RSL, not by an AAD.
There are definitely benefits to having one, especially when freeflying is involved where there can easily be large differences in speed, but I don't think any jumper should have to feel unsafe without an AAD. I know I personally would not have a problem jumping without one, and that has nothing to do with machismo.
That being said, it's nice to hear the jumper decided to get one.
QuoteQuoteQuoteBTW: Anyone want to sell a used Cypress or Vigil?
I hear there are a bunch of them in the forrests
Forrest Gump?
Touche...
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Andy9o8 2
QuoteI don't see it as a noticeable improvement to safety.
I do.
QuoteMost AAD fires are due to loss of altitude awareness, which is entirely preventable with or without an AAD.
But it still sometimes happens, which is why in the pre-Cypres days, when few experienced jumpers used "AODs", no-pull fatalities and very-low-pull near-misses were a lot more common than they are now. And although average pull altitudes were lower back then, that was also before the advent of much faster freefly fall-rates.
No offense to you personally, but I really grow weary of people arguing against safety devices to guard against fuck-ups just because said fuck-ups "should be preventable" with diligence. Yeah, it's true, but it's beside the point: even careful, skillful people occasionally screw up.
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No offense to you personally, but I really grow weary of people arguing against safety devices to guard against fuck-ups just because said fuck-ups "should be preventable" with diligence. Yeah, it's true, but it's beside the point: even careful, skillful people occasionally screw up.
Oh no I agree, and I would rather have an AAD than not have one. I'm not arguing against one. However, I think criticizing someone who does not jump with an AAD due to cost is a bit misguided, since the cost benefit analysis could be beneficial for some people.
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No offense to you personally, but I really grow weary of people arguing against safety devices to guard against fuck-ups just because said fuck-ups "should be preventable" with diligence. Yeah, it's true, but it's beside the point: even careful, skillful people occasionally screw up.
Oh no I agree, and I would rather have an AAD than not have one. I'm not arguing against one. However, I think criticizing someone who does not jump with an AAD due to cost is a bit misguided, since the cost benefit analysis could be beneficial for some people.
so some people value their life less than what, 1200$!?
alright!
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If I took measures in minimizing the possibility of a collision in freefall, I wouldn't use one.. But as long as there are sometimes low time jumpers in air with me and/or I'm freeflying, I'll have one in my rig.
QuoteIf I took measures in minimizing the possibility of a collision in freefall, I wouldn't use one.. But as long as there are sometimes low time jumpers in air with me and/or I'm freeflying, I'll have one in my rig.
well, it's not only others fuck-ups.. a simple entanglement with your camera-gear, or a loss of altitude-awareness, you may just be happy to have one!
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