jmfreefly 0 #1 December 18, 2003 Has anyone else out there had issues with the colors of the newer materials from Birdman? I got my new S3, and the Navy Blue looks like a dark Teal. I had Kim from Birdman send me swatches, and the Navy swatch was what I would think Navy would look like. But the suit is definately from a different color 'strain'. So, my suit is on its way back to Kim, and a newer one to be made. (Thanks to Kim and Birdman for doing what they can to make things correct -- the suit also had oversight on other color specifications). But now I am going to have to wait another 4-5 weeks for them to 'rush' to rebuild the suit. This will easily turn into a 6 month endeavor.. cripes. Anybody have similar issues with color hues?? Part of me thinks "Geeze, color issues are so petty" but the other part says "Heck, you pay over $1k for a suit, it better be what you ordered, color and all!" j Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkymonkeyONE 4 #2 December 18, 2003 So, do you have a suit to jump in the interim? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kevin922 0 #3 December 18, 2003 QuoteSo, do you have a suit to jump in the interim? Yeah he has his GTI which is featured here he has the lovely girl too. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blair700 0 #4 December 18, 2003 Regarding colors, specifically the silver, how does it wear Kevin?? Is it still shiny, or beginning to fade a little?? Would you reccommend it? Thanks Blair Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kevin922 0 #5 December 18, 2003 QuoteRegarding colors, specifically the silver, how does it wear Kevin?? Is it still shiny, or beginning to fade a little?? Would you reccommend it? ThanksBlair Not sure what you mean by "recommend" it has lost some of it's luster, but still looks decent. There haven't been any serious wear issues. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
robibird 3 #6 December 18, 2003 hi, The material we are using for Wing suit is West Mark-balloon'' US made material. Navy blue is very dark and it is not like corrdura or parapack navy blue. It is more dark. Royal blue is like usual royal blue. Regards RobertRobert Pecnik robert@phoenix-fly.com www.phoenix-fly.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybytch 273 #7 December 19, 2003 What you actually get can be very different from what you saw in color samples on any jumpsuit (or container or canopy for that matter). Different dye lots of the exact same color can be and often are a bit different shade from each other. Pretty cool that they're going to rebuild it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jmfreefly 0 #8 December 19, 2003 QuoteWhat you actually get can be very different from what you saw in color samples on any jumpsuit (or container or canopy for that matter). Different dye lots of the exact same color can be and often are a bit different shade from each other. Pretty cool that they're going to rebuild it. No doubt there can be differences. However, this was basically a darker vesion of the 'teal' that you see at the top of the dropzone.com border.. which is (in my mind) not something that can be called Navy. The Home/News... color is a shade of Navy. Anyway.. it is cool that they are going to rebuild it, and try to make ammends. It isn't cool that it wasn't done right in the first place (there was another issue which wasn't to spec). I understand that mistakes happen. In my jump career, I have bought (custom)... 2 wingsuits, 2 custom rigs, 2 custom canopies, 4 jumpsuits. I have never received an item on-time (as in the longest date they quoted) and to spec. A few have been right, like my most recent Wings (but not my first one), and my Icarus Crossfire, but they were about 1.5 the quoted time. (The Crossfire was held up because of the whole trim issue). Ah well.. at least I am on the ground now (recovering from Lasik surgery) and am not hankerin for the suit. j Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jmfreefly 0 #9 December 19, 2003 Quotehi, The material we are using for Wing suit is West Mark-balloon'' US made material. Navy blue is very dark and it is not like corrdura or parapack navy blue. It is more dark. Royal blue is like usual royal blue. Regards Robert Like I said in my original post, it is a hue issue, not a lightness issue. Let me know if Kim sends the suit back to you. I would love to know whether you would concur with my assessment. If you compare the tealish color in the top border of dropzone.com with the Home/News... color. That is the best comparison I can make. I tried to take a digital picture, but the flash bleeds out the colors and you can't see the difference. But, once I saw the swatches, I knew it wasn't the same. I suspect that maybe you guys received an off-color batch? PM me if you want more information/clarification. Thanks for the followup. While I am grumbling about it not being 'perfect', I definitely applaud your companys business ethic to make the situation right. Can't wait to fly it. j Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aviatrr 0 #10 December 21, 2003 QuoteAh well.. at least I am on the ground now (recovering from Lasik surgery) and am not hankerin for the suit How long are you taking off after the surgery? I had it 3 years ago, and the doc told me to take a month off....Jokingly, I told him I'd only be able to hold out for a week...he countered with 2 weeks. I ended up waiting a month due to weather and a move, but on my 7 day checkup he told me I could jump and dive as soon as I wanted to....just wear good eye protection. 3 years later, 20/20 each eye, 20/15 or better when testing with both together. No side effects that lasted more than 2-3 weeks(night vision stuff only). Mike Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freakous 0 #11 December 21, 2003 QuoteQuote In my jump career, I have bought (custom)... 2 wingsuits, 2 custom rigs, 2 custom canopies, 4 jumpsuits. I have never received an item on-time (as in the longest date they quoted) and to spec. Quote No doubt, I understand exactly what you mean. A whole bunch of us were promised a Xmas video on the 6th. But, patience is a virtue and I am not a whiner Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jmfreefly 0 #12 December 22, 2003 [replyNo doubt, I understand exactly what you mean. A whole bunch of us were promised a Xmas video on the 6th. But, patience is a virtue and I am not a whiner Look SF, you are on a one month timeout.. no promises were ever made. Keep it up and I will make it two! B said you better wear a cup to the NYE party.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jmfreefly 0 #13 December 22, 2003 QuoteQuoteAh well.. at least I am on the ground now (recovering from Lasik surgery) and am not hankerin for the suit How long are you taking off after the surgery? I had it 3 years ago, and the doc told me to take a month off....Jokingly, I told him I'd only be able to hold out for a week...he countered with 2 weeks. I ended up waiting a month due to weather and a move, but on my 7 day checkup he told me I could jump and dive as soon as I wanted to....just wear good eye protection. 3 years later, 20/20 each eye, 20/15 or better when testing with both together. No side effects that lasted more than 2-3 weeks(night vision stuff only). Mike The doc said a month for 'pressure sports'. It is already past a month, but with the weather, holidays, and trying to satisfy whiny jumpers by finishing our dz's year-end video.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites TheMonkey 0 #14 December 22, 2003 you want some french cries with your whaaaaburger??? --------------------- Never argue with an idiot, they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0 Go To Topic Listing
jmfreefly 0 #12 December 22, 2003 [replyNo doubt, I understand exactly what you mean. A whole bunch of us were promised a Xmas video on the 6th. But, patience is a virtue and I am not a whiner Look SF, you are on a one month timeout.. no promises were ever made. Keep it up and I will make it two! B said you better wear a cup to the NYE party.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jmfreefly 0 #13 December 22, 2003 QuoteQuoteAh well.. at least I am on the ground now (recovering from Lasik surgery) and am not hankerin for the suit How long are you taking off after the surgery? I had it 3 years ago, and the doc told me to take a month off....Jokingly, I told him I'd only be able to hold out for a week...he countered with 2 weeks. I ended up waiting a month due to weather and a move, but on my 7 day checkup he told me I could jump and dive as soon as I wanted to....just wear good eye protection. 3 years later, 20/20 each eye, 20/15 or better when testing with both together. No side effects that lasted more than 2-3 weeks(night vision stuff only). Mike The doc said a month for 'pressure sports'. It is already past a month, but with the weather, holidays, and trying to satisfy whiny jumpers by finishing our dz's year-end video.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheMonkey 0 #14 December 22, 2003 you want some french cries with your whaaaaburger??? --------------------- Never argue with an idiot, they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
