BravestDog 0 #1 February 6, 2004 Wondering if anyone will ever be able to jump from a plane with a set of hinged skis attached to their feet, fly a few miles and then land on a ski slope? Without opening their parachute of course. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #2 February 6, 2004 NoYesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BravestDog 0 #3 February 6, 2004 The video of the guy who jumped down the ski slope with a wingsuit looked as though he might have been able to land with skis. Maybe if an experienced ski jumper were to take up wingsuit flying, they would have the experience to be successful on the landing part. After all, they have landed numerous times under difficult conditons. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #4 February 6, 2004 Will ever? Well, maybe, but it's going to be pretty freekin' difficult to match up the hill with the fall rate and commit to it. There have been a couple of people that have claimed they were going to try it, but for some reason nobody's done it yet. (I figure they just wised up.) If you look at the Soul Flyers video it looks pretty do-able, but if you look at it closely, you'll see it had some outs for him and it wasn't anywhere nearly as long as you'd need to slow down and stop. If Loic had misjudged that attempt and simply dragged a toe, I think we'd be talking about him in the past tense. A long time ago we talked about this on this web site. If you do a search you might be able to find it. At the time people were talking about doing it on an alpine skiing (ski jumping) slope and I thought that was totally out of the question because of the design considerations of those types of very specific slopes. I also think the design of the current suits don't lend themselves to the type of landings you'd want to do. Maybe, if there was a world champion ski jumper that was also a BirdMan flyer he could figure something out, but I really don't think it's do-able by someone that is more BirdMan and less ski jumper.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #5 February 6, 2004 Hell.. if we are going to assume all that lets also assume that we can turn gravity off and gently land too. Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crawford 0 #6 February 6, 2004 I think utilizing a "belly mount" and devising a bracket to attach a couple pair of roller blades is more feasable! Dreamed about that once, ONCE!!! "Sure, those Golf Carts may look all warm and fuzzy, but they WILL take a chunk out of your ass!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #7 February 6, 2004 Quote I think utilizing a "belly mount" and devising a bracket to attach a couple pair of roller blades is more feasable! Dreamed about that once, ONCE!!! I think you'd be better off to keep that idea as a dream.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crawford 0 #8 February 6, 2004 QuoteQuote I think utilizing a "belly mount" and devising a bracket to attach a couple pair of roller blades is more feasable! Dreamed about that once, ONCE!!! I think you'd be better off to keep that idea as a dream. Come on, I saw it on a cartoon once, it HAS to work!!! HA HA. Yeah, I agree, will do my best not to try that! "Sure, those Golf Carts may look all warm and fuzzy, but they WILL take a chunk out of your ass!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JeffD 0 #9 February 6, 2004 Why dont you start where Patrick De G was trying. I heard/read somewhere that he was working on something to "Take off" of a slope and then land back on it. I know it is possible but it will take some more time for someone to figure it out safely and do it. http://dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?do=search_results&search_forum=forum_13&search_type=AND&search_string=landing+a+wingsuit Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FrogNog 1 #10 February 6, 2004 QuoteWhy dont you start where Patrick De G was trying. Maybe because we don't want to go where Patrick De G was going. -=-=-=-=- Pull. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wzettler 0 #11 February 7, 2004 QuoteMaybe because we don't want to go where Patrick De G was going. ????What is that suppose to mean? He didn't die trying to land a wingsuit. That comment was in bad taste IMO... I think when Jesus said "love your enemy" he probably meant don't kill them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JeffD 0 #12 February 7, 2004 Patrick died from misrouting something over his container preventing anything from coming out. I believe he was working on deflectors. Absolutly nothing to do with landing a WS. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydonkey 0 #13 February 7, 2004 You could argue that most Ski-jumpers do this on every jump, only landing from what is basically a sub-terminal max track. The restrictive position that the wingsuit offers gives little option of anything other than crashing down on your belly. I'm sure that it is do-able, but the VERY best you could expect would be multiple broken ribs/arms/legs if not a fatality. There are lots of old threads on this, do a search if you are genuinely interested. Maybe he could cover the suit in Velcro and land on a slope with likewise? Maybe skiers could match his pace down the hill, holding a giant butterfly net and scoop him up? Maybe he could have a folded fabric wing in a bag on his back, which he could throw out and then fly safely to the ground.........hang on I'm just being stupid now! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VectorBoy 0 #14 February 7, 2004 QuotePatrick died from misrouting something over his container preventing anything from coming out. I believe he was working on deflectors. Absolutly nothing to do with landing a WS. Can you or anybody else here expound on this? What happened to Patrick? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #15 February 7, 2004 Great article on Patrick...http://home.nordnet.fr/~paramag/archives/n132/article/article-us.htmlYesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #16 February 8, 2004 Quote You could argue that most Ski-jumpers do this on every jump, only landing from what is basically a sub-terminal max track. You could, but it wouldn't be accurate. Alpine ski jumps and hills are designed using ballistic formulas. Essentially, if you rolled a bowling ball down the jump it would take off and land at a part of the hillslope known as the "K-point". This gives the jumpers a fairly soft landing without doing much of anything other than getting close to the aerodynamics of a bowling ball. A perfectly designed hillslope continues the trajectory for a bit to allow for soft landings for some distance further than this ideal distance. The real fun comes when a ski jumper tries to go much, much farther down the hill than it was designed for. Then, instead of landing with the hill, he's falling just like you or I jumping off a cliff.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
leroydb 0 #17 February 8, 2004 so we need someone to design a perfect balistic landing area for BMLeroy ..I knew I was an unwanted baby when I saw my bath toys were a toaster and a radio... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lazyfrog 0 #18 February 8, 2004 actually some skijumpers asked for longer slopes to do the ultimate jump... but the infrastructures would be too big, and the ski federations said NO---------- Fumer tue, péter pue ------------- ourson #10, Mosquito Uno, CBT 579 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billbooth 10 #19 February 26, 2004 Can I watch? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Martini 0 #20 February 27, 2004 Considering what you all do for fun it blows me away that you can be so close-minded to this concept. It appears obvious to me that a no-canopy wingsuit landing will be accomplished, probably fairly soon and probably on snow. Will the first attempts be successful? Probably not. Kind of like early wingsuit attempts.Sometimes you eat the bear.............. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 140 #21 February 27, 2004 QuoteWill the first attempts be successful? Probably not will the pilot have a responsability if some wingsuited person jumps out without a parachute ?? apparently in the US the pilot is not allowed to drop a skydiver with non TSO equipment (except foreigners with rigs in conformity with their local regulations)scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dougjumper 0 #22 February 28, 2004 Yea..what Bill said... Me too.. The glass is half full or half empty doesn't matter. Let go and have the Lord guide your path. He will take care of it all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Martini 0 #23 February 28, 2004 Well yeah I wanna watch too. And who said anything about jumping without a parachute? Nobody says you have to use it, just wear it. And yeah in the USA it has to be TSO'd to be legal. A wingsuit is also a decelleration device, it just isn't real efficient and doesn't flare worth a shit. Think snow, real steep snow.Sometimes you eat the bear.............. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rustik 0 #24 February 28, 2004 I just received the soulflyers video and watching the video of Loic passing over the ski slops gives you a real appreciation of the horizontal speeds involved. I seem to remember reading about the guys that do the downhill speed biking (pushbikes) and when they get around the 100mph mark and fall off they are going so fast that the friction of the snow melts their suits and literally welds it to their bodies...Using a wingsuit, if you can survive the initial impact and the slope is long enough u could theoretically land...u may even live... but the friction developed would be so great you would need a carbon fibre / titanium baking tray strapped to your chest and that won't slow you down much!!!!! If it's safe it ain't fun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Faber 0 #25 February 29, 2004 QuoteNo Your wrong all can/will land at some point,what matter is if the person wants to survive and uninjured,if its the last im thith you,but all can go kill them self by gravity,call it landing or impact By the way why would you like to be abel to do so,it aint skydive any more then(unless FAI says ok for it),it would be a sport to it self,and even smaller than BASE,and more dangerus i guess... You will be abel to land a suit the day you make a suit were you not only will desent in but also climb,and were you can flare it so you dont fly that damn fast forward Stay safe Stefan Faber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
