pbla4024 0 #1 May 11, 2004 BTW they claim: "Birdman (US based Europians), they continue in development of De Gayardon's concept". Could somebody put some light on it? Fido Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 140 #2 May 11, 2004 as I understand the article, the so called BM/Deug concept is the wings "separated" from the body, to the contrary of teh monobloc concept Crossbow/SFly/Matterscissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cpoxon 0 #3 May 11, 2004 La science du vol Edit: The articles are to mark the occasion of the 50th anniversary of the first true "Bird man" flight to cover any distance (5 km?!) by Léo Valentin on the 13th of May 1954 Les Hommes-Oiseaux: Cinquantenaire de 1er volSkydiving Fatalities - Cease not to learn 'til thou cease to live Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pbla4024 0 #4 May 11, 2004 I mean author claims De Gayardon is originator of this concept. Fido Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ManBird 0 #5 May 11, 2004 QuoteI mean author claims De Gayardon is originator of this concept. I don't think anyone, not even BirdMan, would argue that the Classic took up where Patric's suit left off. Granted, it had some construction improvements right up front, but the concept of the wing shape, cutaway system, and body+wings were evidently borrowed. Loic's one-wing concept came up as a solution when Patric had problems appropriately attaching the wings to a RW suit. Loic started making his own suit based on this idea. It wasn't marketed/sold until 2000, when Parasport Italia took it up. The wing shape, cutaway system, and one-wing concept were fairly different than what Patric was working on. Patric was not the father of wingsuit flying in general, but he was definitely the man behind the modern wingsuit that could be flown safely and effectively."¯"`-._.-¯) ManBird (¯-._.-´"¯" Click Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pbla4024 0 #6 May 11, 2004 Do you know where to find detailed pictures of Deug's suit? Fido Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydiverek 63 #7 May 11, 2004 QuoteDo you know where to find detailed pictures of Deug's suit? Here are the pictures of Gayardon flying his suit: http://www.poxon.org/Craig/Skydive/PatrickDeGayardon/canyon.html (click NEXT on this page) http://relativeworkshop.com/workshop/gallery/10100232.jpg http://www.bpa.org.uk/skydive/pages/people/Patrick%20De%20Gayardon%203.jpg http://home.nordnet.fr/~paramag/archives/n132/article/ph3.jpeg Also, here is a great thread with articles on Gayardon, his wingsuits, and his tragic end...: http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=936289#936289 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pbla4024 0 #8 May 12, 2004 Thanks, but I told "detailed". Detail of cutaway, detail of arm wing etc. Fido Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #9 May 12, 2004 QuoteBirdman (US based Europeans) Hmmm. I hadn't heard that Robi had moved over to this side of the pond...-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The111 1 #10 May 12, 2004 Well the business side is based here at least...www.WingsuitPhotos.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jmfreefly 0 #11 May 12, 2004 I am pretty sure that you will never find pictures of his suit in detail. This was (as I recall reading/discussing with Jari) a big hurdle in trying to mimic his suit. Maybe I am wrong, but otherwise, I would expect to see webpages with comparisons of the suits, with all the bird-geeks out there. I remember hearing anecdotes about what happened to his suits, but I don't recall exactly who supposedly had them now. j Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ManBird 0 #12 May 12, 2004 Quote I am pretty sure that you will never find pictures of his suit in detail. This was (as I recall reading/discussing with Jari) a big hurdle in trying to mimic his suit.This is my understanding, as well."¯"`-._.-¯) ManBird (¯-._.-´"¯" Click Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 140 #13 May 12, 2004 I think Philippe Besnier from Toutazimut in Chimillin (France) did some work for his suits. Don't think Phillippe has a website, but you might find his email in the Paramag website as he has advertisement therescissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kevin922 0 #14 May 12, 2004 Quote a big hurdle in trying to mimic his suit. I might be reading what you are saying incorrectly, but the birdman suit was designed by Robi from the ground up - not in an attempt to mimic DeG's suit. Robi told me he had only seen one picture or so of DeG's before making the first prototype birdman suit. Quote I remember hearing anecdotes about what happened to his suits, but I don't recall exactly who supposedly had them now. I haven't heard anything, but I'd venture to guess that Adrian Nicholas might have them. He was there when the incident happened and continued the "wingsuit dream" with his designs, he just never commercialized on them. He was a good friend of DeG and I believe was active during the whole development of DeG's suit. Kevin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
