trenty75 0 #1 October 2, 2003 well i am sure this has been discussed before but i am going to order a brand spankin new rig...if i order nickle ( which is chrome plated) it would take 4-6 weeks..if i order stainless we are talking 15-30 weeks...i am sure that nickle is fine or else they wouldnt put it on a rig..but i was just asking for some input...i need a rig..and want it now!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AggieDave 6 #2 October 2, 2003 Stainless will have a better resale value if you ever decide to sell it.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ifics 0 #3 October 2, 2003 What company are you going through? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Kris 0 #4 October 2, 2003 I got the nickel plating on my Mirage Unisyn and it looks absolutely incredible. It always gets compliments. I chose it over the stainless because I think it looks better. The fact that it was $150 cheaper didn't hurt either but it wasn't my deciding factor. Don't confuse nickel plating with chrome plating. Nickel is much more durable and looks a lot better. It's more of a glossy satin finish.Sky, Muff Bro, Rodriguez Bro, and Bastion of Purity and Innocence!™ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites RTB 0 #5 October 2, 2003 I have nickel on my Mirage and it does chip on the inside of the three rings. My Sigma does to. You won't see it if you're looking from the front but its not as good as stainless. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites RMURRAY 1 #6 October 2, 2003 For me, I would not get stainless steel hardware - it is heavier and does not improve function /safety. Yes, it looks OK but for me it is not worth it. Nickel plating and chrome plating are not the same - chrome plating would not stand up. I cannot understand why anyone would wait 26 weeks for a rig...but that is another topic. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites trenty75 0 #7 October 3, 2003 mirage....supposed to have stainless here soon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites diablopilot 2 #8 October 3, 2003 It's a bit of an out there point, but I've never seen an older stainless equiped rig w/ rust on the hardware.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mr2mk1g 10 #9 October 3, 2003 that is actually a good point - if the nickle will chip off on the inside of the rings then those rings will be exposed to rusting. Yes this should be seen and dealt with, but if people are expecting their nickel rings to be rust proof they may not be looking. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Tonto 1 #10 October 3, 2003 Stainless. And I don't live near the sea. Always stainless. As for the dude that said heavier... bet he can't tell the difference in weight between identical rigs with different sized mains, let alone stainless vs. Nickel... tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ypelchat 0 #11 October 3, 2003 QuoteStainless. And I don't live near the sea. Always stainless. As for the dude that said heavier... bet he can't sell the difference in weight between identical rigs with different sized mains, let alone stainless vs. Nickel... t I've ordered my new Vortex, with stainless steel hardware. In the long run, I think a rig with stainless steel hardware parts, will retain a better look. Yves. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rigging65 0 #12 October 3, 2003 Why on earth would you want to polish and smooth and make slick part of a system that needs friction to work properly?? Everyone here realizes that the load placed on that little white loop and cable is all determined by how much friction there is in the system (and that it's properly aligned), right? Before someone comes flaming back with the fact that "the system is so overbuilt that it doesn't matter...", I realize that. I also realize, as Relative Workshop tried to explain to the world years ago, that larger rings create longer lever arms and therefore reduce the force on that little white loop and cable even more. As a note, I jump mini-rings...expressly because the systems are so overbuilt...I just wanted to throw out there that slick rings take you one step further down the road of decreasing the efficiency of your canopy release system...I know I'm being a hypocrite, but I wanted to make sure everyone has all the facts! And you just thought it was a matter of looking cool, didn't you?... "...and once you had tasted flight, you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward. For there you have been, and there you long to return..." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mr2mk1g 10 #13 October 3, 2003 QuoteI know I'm being a hypocrite, but I wanted to make sure everyone has all the facts! Nothing wrong with that... knowing of a risk and accepting it is one thing, blindly following without a true appreciation of what you're doing is another altogether. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ypelchat 0 #14 October 3, 2003 QuoteQuote QuoteWhy on earth would you want to polish and smooth and make slick part of a system that needs friction to work properly?? The why on earth would Mirage or Javelin, or just about every other rig manufacturer would market such "fricitionless" release mechanism, if it's unreliable? The same reasoning can also be applied to regular rings and mini-rings and also regular risers, and mini-risers. QuoteEveryone here realizes that the load placed on that little white loop and cable is all determined by how much friction there is in the system (and that it's properly aligned), right? Before someone comes flaming back with the fact that "the system is so overbuilt that it doesn't matter...", I realize that. I also realize, as Relative Workshop tried to explain to the world years ago, that larger rings create longer lever arms and therefore reduce the force on that little white loop and cable even more. As a note, I jump mini-rings...expressly because the systems are so overbuilt...I just wanted to throw out there that slick rings take you one step further down the road of decreasing the efficiency of your canopy release system...I know I'm being a hypocrite, but I wanted to make sure everyone has all the facts! And you just thought it was a matter of looking cool, didn't you?... If the system is so "overbuilt", I fail to see the point. People have jumped rigs equipped with stainless steel hardware, for a long time, and I have not heard of any failures on their rigs. Stainless steel never rust. It's a fact. Rust can be a problem, and can cause premature failure of webbing, due to increased "friction" Yves. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Hooknswoop 19 #15 October 3, 2003 QuoteIf the system is so "overbuilt", I fail to see the point. People have jumped rigs equipped with stainless steel hardware, for a long time, and I have not heard of any failures on their rigs. Stainless steel 3-rings reduces the efficiency of the 3-ring, which means higher loads on the white locking loop and higher pull forces on the cutaway handle. This can contribute to impossibly high cutaway forces, which has happened. This is a failure. Things that increase cutaway forces: Stainless steel 3-rings Mini-rings Excess cutaway cable s twisted around each other without hard housing inserts The channel on the back of the rear risers 'gripping' the excess cutaway cable if hard housings are not installed. Dirty cutaway cables Rough spots or sharp bends on the cutaway cables 3-rings not manufactured to specs. Things that can reduce cutaway forces: Cadmium or electrolysis-plated 3-rings Standard (large) 3-rings Clean cutaway cables Riser inserts 3-rings manufactured to specs Straight, knick or bend-free cutaway cables All that being said, stainless hardware doesn't seem to rust, and if manufactured to specs, maintained every 30 days, hard housings are used in the risers, stainless 3-rings are OK. Derek Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rigging65 0 #16 October 3, 2003 QuoteThe why on earth would Mirage or Javelin, or just about every other rig manufacturer would market such "fricitionless" release mechanism, if it's unreliable? I didn't say it was "unreliable"...and the reason that mfgs. use it is because the general population is convinced that if someone builds it, it must be safe. Safe yes, safest, no. As long as there are consumers who think the world revolves around shiny things, mfgs. will find a way to give that to you. Again, it's safe enough to use stainless or nickle...but for a group of people who commonly looks for the safest or best pieces of gear, slick rings are neither the safest nor the best. That's all! "...and once you had tasted flight, you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward. For there you have been, and there you long to return..." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ypelchat 0 #17 October 3, 2003 Thanks Ryan and Derek for the clarifications. Yves. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Clownburner 0 #18 October 3, 2003 Yep, I agree. Which is why my rig has LARGE NICKEL rings on type-8 risers, hard housings and riser inserts, and I clean my cutaway cable at least every 30 days. I sure would feel stupid going in because I was yanking on a stuck cutaway cable thinking "At least my 3-rings are shiny!" 7CP#1 | BTR#2 | Payaso en fuego Rodriguez "I want hot chicks in my boobies!"- McBeth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Hooknswoop 19 #19 October 3, 2003 Quotemy rig has LARGE NICKEL rings on type-8 risers, hard housings and riser inserts, and I clean my cutaway cable at least every 30 days. That is the most efficient cutaway system there is (if there are manufactured to specs). Any deviation from that can increase cutaway forces. Derek Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kaerock 1 #20 October 3, 2003 Just curious, how does the fact that the rings are stainless reduce efficiency? -R QuoteQuoteIf the system is so "overbuilt", I fail to see the point. People have jumped rigs equipped with stainless steel hardware, for a long time, and I have not heard of any failures on their rigs. Stainless steel 3-rings reduces the efficiency of the 3-ring, which means higher loads on the white locking loop and higher pull forces on the cutaway handle. This can contribute to impossibly high cutaway forces, which has happened. This is a failure. Things that increase cutaway forces: Stainless steel 3-rings Mini-rings Excess cutaway cable s twisted around each other without hard housing inserts The channel on the back of the rear risers 'gripping' the excess cutaway cable if hard housings are not installed. Dirty cutaway cables Rough spots or sharp bends on the cutaway cables 3-rings not manufactured to specs. Things that can reduce cutaway forces: Cadmium or electrolysis-plated 3-rings Standard (large) 3-rings Clean cutaway cables Riser inserts 3-rings manufactured to specs Straight, knick or bend-free cutaway cables All that being said, stainless hardware doesn't seem to rust, and if manufactured to specs, maintained every 30 days, hard housings are used in the risers, stainless 3-rings are OK. Derek You be the king and I'll overthrow your government. --KRS-ONE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Hooknswoop 19 #21 October 3, 2003 QuoteJust curious, how does the fact that the rings are stainless reduce efficiency? As it was explained to me by Bill Booth and mentioned by Rigging65, the stainless steel rings are very smooth, which causes more force to be transmitted to the locking loop. Friction between the rings and webbing absorbs some of the force, reducing the amount transmitted to the locking loop. He was asking because he had just developed the new electrolysis-plated hardware at PIS 2001. He said that the plated hardware had the nice look of the stainless, but retained the efficiency of the Cadmium plated hardware that was lost with the stainless. Derek Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites diablopilot 2 #22 October 3, 2003 Nice points! Ryan and Derek bring some great information, and make the point that it should be every jumpers responsiblity to investigate rather than accept on blind faith. Kudos. QuoteAnd you just thought it was a matter of looking cool, didn't you?... It isn't?---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kaerock 1 #23 October 3, 2003 Roger that, I suspected it had to do with the increased friction of the non-stainless hardware...It's an interesting point, but do you really think that there is THAT much more force on the locking loop with stainless? I wonder if anyone that has any numbers on the comparison. -R QuoteQuoteJust curious, how does the fact that the rings are stainless reduce efficiency? As it was explained to me by Bill Booth and mentioned by Rigging65, the stainless steel rings are very smooth, which causes more force to be transmitted to the locking loop. Friction between the rings and webbing absorbs some of the force, reducing the amount transmitted to the locking loop. He was asking because he had just developed the new electrolysis-plated hardware at PIS 2001. He said that the plated hardware had the nice look of the stainless, but retained the efficiency of the Cadmium plated hardware that was lost with the stainless. Derek You be the king and I'll overthrow your government. --KRS-ONE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Hooknswoop 19 #24 October 3, 2003 Quote Roger that, I suspected it had to do with the increased friction of the non-stainless hardware...It's an interesting point, but do you really think that there is THAT much more force on the locking loop with stainless? I wonder if anyone that has any numbers on the comparison. I don't have the numbers, but there is a difference. Therein lies the rub. The 3-ring release must work when we need it. If it doesn't, we can end up dead. Using stainless steel mini rings increases pull forces. They must be manufactured correctly and maintained to prevent hard pulls. If we choose to use a release system that is less efficient than possible and is affected by a lack of maintenance to a higher degree, we must be aware of the downside of our choice and perform the required maintenance. An analogy; a high performance sports car requires maintenance to run well. If we don't maintain a Ford Taurus, it will still run, just not as well. Don't perform the maintenance on a Ferrari and it will not run at all, not simply run poorly. Derek Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skydiverek 63 #25 October 3, 2003 QuoteStainless steel 3-rings reduces the efficiency of the 3-ring By 5% - that's what Bill Booth told me. Check this thread: http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=126465#126465 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 1 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. 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AggieDave 6 #2 October 2, 2003 Stainless will have a better resale value if you ever decide to sell it.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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Kris 0 #4 October 2, 2003 I got the nickel plating on my Mirage Unisyn and it looks absolutely incredible. It always gets compliments. I chose it over the stainless because I think it looks better. The fact that it was $150 cheaper didn't hurt either but it wasn't my deciding factor. Don't confuse nickel plating with chrome plating. Nickel is much more durable and looks a lot better. It's more of a glossy satin finish.Sky, Muff Bro, Rodriguez Bro, and Bastion of Purity and Innocence!™ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RTB 0 #5 October 2, 2003 I have nickel on my Mirage and it does chip on the inside of the three rings. My Sigma does to. You won't see it if you're looking from the front but its not as good as stainless. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RMURRAY 1 #6 October 2, 2003 For me, I would not get stainless steel hardware - it is heavier and does not improve function /safety. Yes, it looks OK but for me it is not worth it. Nickel plating and chrome plating are not the same - chrome plating would not stand up. I cannot understand why anyone would wait 26 weeks for a rig...but that is another topic. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
trenty75 0 #7 October 3, 2003 mirage....supposed to have stainless here soon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #8 October 3, 2003 It's a bit of an out there point, but I've never seen an older stainless equiped rig w/ rust on the hardware.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr2mk1g 10 #9 October 3, 2003 that is actually a good point - if the nickle will chip off on the inside of the rings then those rings will be exposed to rusting. Yes this should be seen and dealt with, but if people are expecting their nickel rings to be rust proof they may not be looking. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tonto 1 #10 October 3, 2003 Stainless. And I don't live near the sea. Always stainless. As for the dude that said heavier... bet he can't tell the difference in weight between identical rigs with different sized mains, let alone stainless vs. Nickel... tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ypelchat 0 #11 October 3, 2003 QuoteStainless. And I don't live near the sea. Always stainless. As for the dude that said heavier... bet he can't sell the difference in weight between identical rigs with different sized mains, let alone stainless vs. Nickel... t I've ordered my new Vortex, with stainless steel hardware. In the long run, I think a rig with stainless steel hardware parts, will retain a better look. Yves. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rigging65 0 #12 October 3, 2003 Why on earth would you want to polish and smooth and make slick part of a system that needs friction to work properly?? Everyone here realizes that the load placed on that little white loop and cable is all determined by how much friction there is in the system (and that it's properly aligned), right? Before someone comes flaming back with the fact that "the system is so overbuilt that it doesn't matter...", I realize that. I also realize, as Relative Workshop tried to explain to the world years ago, that larger rings create longer lever arms and therefore reduce the force on that little white loop and cable even more. As a note, I jump mini-rings...expressly because the systems are so overbuilt...I just wanted to throw out there that slick rings take you one step further down the road of decreasing the efficiency of your canopy release system...I know I'm being a hypocrite, but I wanted to make sure everyone has all the facts! And you just thought it was a matter of looking cool, didn't you?... "...and once you had tasted flight, you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward. For there you have been, and there you long to return..." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr2mk1g 10 #13 October 3, 2003 QuoteI know I'm being a hypocrite, but I wanted to make sure everyone has all the facts! Nothing wrong with that... knowing of a risk and accepting it is one thing, blindly following without a true appreciation of what you're doing is another altogether. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ypelchat 0 #14 October 3, 2003 QuoteQuote QuoteWhy on earth would you want to polish and smooth and make slick part of a system that needs friction to work properly?? The why on earth would Mirage or Javelin, or just about every other rig manufacturer would market such "fricitionless" release mechanism, if it's unreliable? The same reasoning can also be applied to regular rings and mini-rings and also regular risers, and mini-risers. QuoteEveryone here realizes that the load placed on that little white loop and cable is all determined by how much friction there is in the system (and that it's properly aligned), right? Before someone comes flaming back with the fact that "the system is so overbuilt that it doesn't matter...", I realize that. I also realize, as Relative Workshop tried to explain to the world years ago, that larger rings create longer lever arms and therefore reduce the force on that little white loop and cable even more. As a note, I jump mini-rings...expressly because the systems are so overbuilt...I just wanted to throw out there that slick rings take you one step further down the road of decreasing the efficiency of your canopy release system...I know I'm being a hypocrite, but I wanted to make sure everyone has all the facts! And you just thought it was a matter of looking cool, didn't you?... If the system is so "overbuilt", I fail to see the point. People have jumped rigs equipped with stainless steel hardware, for a long time, and I have not heard of any failures on their rigs. Stainless steel never rust. It's a fact. Rust can be a problem, and can cause premature failure of webbing, due to increased "friction" Yves. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hooknswoop 19 #15 October 3, 2003 QuoteIf the system is so "overbuilt", I fail to see the point. People have jumped rigs equipped with stainless steel hardware, for a long time, and I have not heard of any failures on their rigs. Stainless steel 3-rings reduces the efficiency of the 3-ring, which means higher loads on the white locking loop and higher pull forces on the cutaway handle. This can contribute to impossibly high cutaway forces, which has happened. This is a failure. Things that increase cutaway forces: Stainless steel 3-rings Mini-rings Excess cutaway cable s twisted around each other without hard housing inserts The channel on the back of the rear risers 'gripping' the excess cutaway cable if hard housings are not installed. Dirty cutaway cables Rough spots or sharp bends on the cutaway cables 3-rings not manufactured to specs. Things that can reduce cutaway forces: Cadmium or electrolysis-plated 3-rings Standard (large) 3-rings Clean cutaway cables Riser inserts 3-rings manufactured to specs Straight, knick or bend-free cutaway cables All that being said, stainless hardware doesn't seem to rust, and if manufactured to specs, maintained every 30 days, hard housings are used in the risers, stainless 3-rings are OK. Derek Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rigging65 0 #16 October 3, 2003 QuoteThe why on earth would Mirage or Javelin, or just about every other rig manufacturer would market such "fricitionless" release mechanism, if it's unreliable? I didn't say it was "unreliable"...and the reason that mfgs. use it is because the general population is convinced that if someone builds it, it must be safe. Safe yes, safest, no. As long as there are consumers who think the world revolves around shiny things, mfgs. will find a way to give that to you. Again, it's safe enough to use stainless or nickle...but for a group of people who commonly looks for the safest or best pieces of gear, slick rings are neither the safest nor the best. That's all! "...and once you had tasted flight, you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward. For there you have been, and there you long to return..." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ypelchat 0 #17 October 3, 2003 Thanks Ryan and Derek for the clarifications. Yves. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Clownburner 0 #18 October 3, 2003 Yep, I agree. Which is why my rig has LARGE NICKEL rings on type-8 risers, hard housings and riser inserts, and I clean my cutaway cable at least every 30 days. I sure would feel stupid going in because I was yanking on a stuck cutaway cable thinking "At least my 3-rings are shiny!" 7CP#1 | BTR#2 | Payaso en fuego Rodriguez "I want hot chicks in my boobies!"- McBeth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hooknswoop 19 #19 October 3, 2003 Quotemy rig has LARGE NICKEL rings on type-8 risers, hard housings and riser inserts, and I clean my cutaway cable at least every 30 days. That is the most efficient cutaway system there is (if there are manufactured to specs). Any deviation from that can increase cutaway forces. Derek Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kaerock 1 #20 October 3, 2003 Just curious, how does the fact that the rings are stainless reduce efficiency? -R QuoteQuoteIf the system is so "overbuilt", I fail to see the point. People have jumped rigs equipped with stainless steel hardware, for a long time, and I have not heard of any failures on their rigs. Stainless steel 3-rings reduces the efficiency of the 3-ring, which means higher loads on the white locking loop and higher pull forces on the cutaway handle. This can contribute to impossibly high cutaway forces, which has happened. This is a failure. Things that increase cutaway forces: Stainless steel 3-rings Mini-rings Excess cutaway cable s twisted around each other without hard housing inserts The channel on the back of the rear risers 'gripping' the excess cutaway cable if hard housings are not installed. Dirty cutaway cables Rough spots or sharp bends on the cutaway cables 3-rings not manufactured to specs. Things that can reduce cutaway forces: Cadmium or electrolysis-plated 3-rings Standard (large) 3-rings Clean cutaway cables Riser inserts 3-rings manufactured to specs Straight, knick or bend-free cutaway cables All that being said, stainless hardware doesn't seem to rust, and if manufactured to specs, maintained every 30 days, hard housings are used in the risers, stainless 3-rings are OK. Derek You be the king and I'll overthrow your government. --KRS-ONE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hooknswoop 19 #21 October 3, 2003 QuoteJust curious, how does the fact that the rings are stainless reduce efficiency? As it was explained to me by Bill Booth and mentioned by Rigging65, the stainless steel rings are very smooth, which causes more force to be transmitted to the locking loop. Friction between the rings and webbing absorbs some of the force, reducing the amount transmitted to the locking loop. He was asking because he had just developed the new electrolysis-plated hardware at PIS 2001. He said that the plated hardware had the nice look of the stainless, but retained the efficiency of the Cadmium plated hardware that was lost with the stainless. Derek Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #22 October 3, 2003 Nice points! Ryan and Derek bring some great information, and make the point that it should be every jumpers responsiblity to investigate rather than accept on blind faith. Kudos. QuoteAnd you just thought it was a matter of looking cool, didn't you?... It isn't?---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kaerock 1 #23 October 3, 2003 Roger that, I suspected it had to do with the increased friction of the non-stainless hardware...It's an interesting point, but do you really think that there is THAT much more force on the locking loop with stainless? I wonder if anyone that has any numbers on the comparison. -R QuoteQuoteJust curious, how does the fact that the rings are stainless reduce efficiency? As it was explained to me by Bill Booth and mentioned by Rigging65, the stainless steel rings are very smooth, which causes more force to be transmitted to the locking loop. Friction between the rings and webbing absorbs some of the force, reducing the amount transmitted to the locking loop. He was asking because he had just developed the new electrolysis-plated hardware at PIS 2001. He said that the plated hardware had the nice look of the stainless, but retained the efficiency of the Cadmium plated hardware that was lost with the stainless. Derek You be the king and I'll overthrow your government. --KRS-ONE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hooknswoop 19 #24 October 3, 2003 Quote Roger that, I suspected it had to do with the increased friction of the non-stainless hardware...It's an interesting point, but do you really think that there is THAT much more force on the locking loop with stainless? I wonder if anyone that has any numbers on the comparison. I don't have the numbers, but there is a difference. Therein lies the rub. The 3-ring release must work when we need it. If it doesn't, we can end up dead. Using stainless steel mini rings increases pull forces. They must be manufactured correctly and maintained to prevent hard pulls. If we choose to use a release system that is less efficient than possible and is affected by a lack of maintenance to a higher degree, we must be aware of the downside of our choice and perform the required maintenance. An analogy; a high performance sports car requires maintenance to run well. If we don't maintain a Ford Taurus, it will still run, just not as well. Don't perform the maintenance on a Ferrari and it will not run at all, not simply run poorly. Derek Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydiverek 63 #25 October 3, 2003 QuoteStainless steel 3-rings reduces the efficiency of the 3-ring By 5% - that's what Bill Booth told me. Check this thread: http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=126465#126465 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 1 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
