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unclecharlie95

Phoenix-Fly Beginner suit

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unclecharlie95    3

unclecharlie95
Robi has been testing the new beginner suit from the airplane and decided to try it from the mountain this weekend :)
The Norges and German crew watching were impressed but they pointed out that Robi could probably fly a trash sack to the landing area :P So to prove the suit could really fly, yours truly took the controls for a circuit ;)

The suit uses a new design concept which will really appeal to newbie wingsuit pilots, offering many advantages (Robi asked me not to reveal too many details yet) - lets just say after deploying I could immediately reach up to get on the toggles (without doing anything) B|

My exit was ok, I gradually extended the wings and started flying smoothly and surprisingly fast. The suit was easy to fly and felt nice & stable. I made good distance towards the LZ and opened up just under 2/3rds of the way (well you know, I didn't want to show Robi up :P)

Robi will have the suit with him at the Z-flock.. The images are grabs from Uli's video cam, sorry for the poor quality.

Long flights,
J

ps. I have just downsized canopy, to a prototype 95 sq ft. so needed a new username - anyone want to buy a CF2 109 ):)
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leroydb    0

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it might not have booties. He might have the phoenix trackpants booty hook system used on it?

I have also seen a few flights where an individual was too tall and used a GTI WITHOUT the booties on, they were tucked in
Leroy


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TomAiello    26

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The suit uses a new design concept which will really appeal to newbie wingsuit pilots, offering many advantages (Robi asked me not to reveal too many details yet) - lets just say after deploying I could immediately reach up to get on the toggles (without doing anything) B|



Is it like the Access suit? Or a totally different angle?

Thanks for the info. I can't wait to see it in the flesh.

Leroy, I doubt that the suit was improperly sized, as I'd bet Robi sewed the prototype for himself. Perhaps it has no booties at all? That actually might make sense for a beginner suit, where the leg wing doesn't have to come down so far (and hence you could make a cheaper suit, so more people could afford to try it, by just leaving off the booties).
-- Tom Aiello

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PhreeZone    20

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Actually a bootieless setup would be the way to go for demo suits and intro suits. The fit would not have to be near as precise, and hopefully the cost could be kept low by only offering them in presized/pre colored options. If this is the case it could reduce the turn around time from order to delivery to just a few days. That would be a really good thing!

Also it saves a lot of wear and tear on the suits since there is nothing to wear when you land or walk around. It would also make hooking up in a Cessna a hell of a lot easier ;)
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leroydb    0

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as a side note: I can reach and get 4 fingers around either the left or right rear riser. If I grab it and also shift in the harness you can do a quick adjustment or even try to stablize a spin...
Leroy


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The111    1

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as a side note: I can reach and get 4 fingers around either the left or right rear riser. If I grab it and also shift in the harness you can do a quick adjustment or even try to stablize a spin...



I can get both risers on my S3 almost every time. I made a post about it on here recently...

It's still not quite the same as having full use of my arms though. I don't have enough control of the risers to actually get multiple linetwists undone once they've formed (for that I unzip) but being able to hold them during deployment is a comfort thing and also helps prevent twists...
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VectorBoy    0

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as a side note: I can reach and get 4 fingers around either the left or right rear riser. If I grab it and also shift in the harness you can do a quick adjustment or even try to stablize a spin...



Yes I can grab quite away up my risers without fully unzipping.
I'm referring to good number of people that have more than plenty of jumps and experience to enjoy wingsuiting that can't overcome the "mental confinement " of the arm wings.
In one case I know a guy who has several thousand jumps, is a monster tracker and even owns a slightly used classic but doesn't feel at home without the ability to use all of his " flight surfaces" freely. He only has a handfull of jumps on his classic but when his confort level reach his skill level equalibrium he will be a "flock rocket".

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The111    1

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I'm not sure exactly how I get the risers in my hands. I think there is some glitch where, as I get swung forward, there is a split second where I have a better chance at grabbing them (due to body position and risers being slightly slack maybe) than if I just reached up from a fully seated static position. If that makes any sense.

I am guessing I couldn't make a turn since I don't grab rears, I grab "everything" just above the 3 rings. And like I said, I think I can only make this grab at a certain point during deployment, after that I let go to unzip, then I can either grab rears to turn or the "whole risers" again to undo twists.

I'm honestly not sure if I could make a turn, since I just grab them during deployment (not the best grab possible, but not just a touch either) and let go after full inflation. I don't think I could probably make a turn, or even undo twists as I said earlier, but it does feel like it makes the deployment more controllable to a small degree, and definitely more comfortable. Sometimes if I slip and grab the wrong way though, it seems to induce twists. On my GTi it always was worse if I reached up... on my S3 I seem to have a good success rate. This could be totally coincidental or based on one of a million other variables...
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piisfish    140

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I am guessing I couldn't make a turn since I don't grab rears, I grab "everything" just above the 3 rings. And like I said, I think I can only make this grab at a certain point during deployment, after that I let go to unzip, then I can either grab rears to turn or the "whole risers" again to undo twists.

I'm honestly not sure if I could make a turn, since I just grab them during deployment (not the best grab possible, but not just a touch either) and let go after full inflation. I don't think I could probably make a turn, or even undo twists as I said earlier, but it does feel like it makes the deployment more controllable to a small degree, and definitely more comfortable. Sometimes if I slip and grab the wrong way though, it seems to induce twists. On my GTi it always was worse if I reached up... on my S3 I seem to have a good success rate. This could be totally coincidental or based on one of a million other variables...


IMHO this is the best way to screw up your opening... But you have way more WS flights than I do...

What I do is fly the opening with my butt. Just feeling how it goes and correcting if I feel necessary...
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The111    1

The111
That's what I did with my GTi (fly with my butt). On the S3 I'm still learning what works. I'll have 10 perfect openings and then 3 in a row with linetwists. Still figuring it out and trying different things (within reason). :)
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VectorBoy    0

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Are you getting enough reach to make a good riser turn? Or is it one of those "I can just get my fingers on them" kind of deals?



In my case its a false sence of security kind of thing. That makes me think in the case of line twists I can just kinda Conan the risers apart again.

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BGill    0

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the black looking part on the upper body extends about halfway across the armwings... im making a wild guess and thinking maybe the wing is attached along that and then the yellow part is in the same fashion as the access suit where you just grip to keep it in place? i could completely be wrong, but it does look like he's holding onto the wings in the pics. what does anyone think of this hypothesis?

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unclecharlie95    3

unclecharlie95
Sorry for the slow response, been away on business all week.

The attached photo of the prototype should answer some of the questions :)
The armwing design was inspired by the early hang gliders. The arm forms the leading edge, the wing is the top skin and the resulting airflow completes the airfoil "section". The result is an effective wing that makes reaching the BOC super easy.

The intermediate suit is also looking great, Robi said he will be taking both suits to the Z-Flock B|

Long flights,
J
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sight_burner    0

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Two piece suit well the pantz look like they inflate but I wonder how the pantz alone would perform as tracking pantz agent's the pressurized suit, and P.F pantz. but I would assume the pantz combined with the P.F jacket would could cook up some series competition.


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