Looking for Information to regulate

[Beverly 1]

Hello,

I am in the process of applying to our association to have wingsuites as their own category in the management system.
This requires quite a lot in terms of rules and regulations that we can monitor and train students.
It would include courses and programmes for students to progress through the category.

Does anyone have some of this info already?
The BMI course can help with some guidelines, and we have 2 BMI's at our club already, so we can offer that facility.

Please help, any info will do.

Thanks
Bev

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[kevin922 0]

As far as I know, the USPA hasn't really gotton involved with training of wingsuits. Birdman was the first to come up with a formal program. Training usually is a one day thing, and wouldn't really require you to monitor the progress of a student as they go from student to "trained" in a matter of 45 minutes plus a jump.

There was a time early on when there was no formal BMI training (training for the trainers) and the quality of the training received from the BMI's during that era greatly varies. The newer ones (i am not exactly sure when they started the formal BMI training) have a solid baseline to teach from.

We take up students with 200 jumps in the last 18 months or 500 total. I personally do not take anyone under 500 that has an eliptical canopy (i.e. stilleto). If you have over 500 jumps i'll let you make the call, but it is highly advised against.

Also no Pull out containers, only BOC.

[LouDiamond 1]

Hi beverly, I have spoken with your BMI's and I spoke to someone in your organization about 2 years ago. I was asked to provide input into your MODs feasability. Having seen the MOD and made recommendations to improve it, I understand there are things that are done a bit differently in SA. As far as courses and programs are concerned your current MOD is pretty stringent by anyones current standards. Are you looking to change the current standards or trying to find out what they are?

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[Beverly 1]

Hi,

Thanks for this.

Wingsuits are currently part of our Mop's (Manual of procedures), which is what you had something to do with I am sure, but we will be looking at trying to get Wingsuits as a seperate category as part of the SSA (Sport Skydivers Association).
Skydivers in SA tick a box where they want to spend their money for the SSA each year, and we would like to have a box for Wingsuits and Canopy piloting (Swooping) for people to tick.
Currently FS is the dominent category in SA and the majority of the money goes to that.
The idea would be to get more funds going to the development of people jumping the suits and get some demo's into the system. This would include skills camps etc
There are not many people who do CREW here, and it is a dying category, so they would need to market themselves to get more people to contribute to their development.

I am working with Tonto on this, but we may be losing our two BMI's to the country of milk and honey soon, so we need to get more people trained up.

I am a wingsuiter myself, but I also do FS, play with Freeflying and want to learn Swoop, so there is really no preference for me.
We do see that this is new and needs to be nurtured in order for it to grow.

Basically, we are looking for more info to get more people involved on a regular basis.

You are so right, we have very strict rules here on wingsuits, 300 jumps min to jump with an instr and do a course and 500 jumps min to go it on your own.

We have created a bit of an animal with the volume of wingsuits at our club specifically and there are many students that are keen to try, just need to get the jump numbers up.

The Birdman.com programme is a great start.
Thanks for that.

I will yell when I need more input.

Cheers
Bev

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[fergs 0]

Hi Beverly,

I've just emailed you a copy of the Wingsuit Operating Procedure Manual that every DZ in Australia has.

Our federation, the Australia Parachute Federation, preferrs at this time not to regulate wingsuits or have formalised progression tables, etc. Rather,they prefer to have a recommended precedure manual that individual DZ CI's can refer to with their local wingsuiters.

In addition we are embarking on a process of getting new BMI's trained and qualified with the intention of having at least one at each DZ in the country. This will then go a long way towards providing uniform safe training as well as loose "supervision" of the local wingsuit fraternity.

Safety will be paramount and fun will be the result.

Anyhow, take a look at the document in your email. This will shortly have some revisions and additions - so it's really an ongoing working document.

Blue Skies,

fergs
BMCI

[leoholanda 0]

I agree with this position. Regulating wingsuit is so subjective to the many different models. The Brazilian Parachute Confederation regulates that wingsuit jumps are restricted to D lic. skydivers. A big mistake in my opinion... What about the big differences between any two models of wingsuit available (e.g. PF beginner suit x Skyflyer.3)?

Like canopy piloting I think it is better not to regulate and let it to the manufacturer recommendations. Birdman has it's own flight manual, also does Phoenix Fly, and I believe all others have one.

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Hi Beverly,

I've just emailed you a copy of the Wingsuit Operating Procedure Manual that every DZ in Australia has.

Our federation, the Australia Parachute Federation, preferrs at this time not to regulate wingsuits or have formalised progression tables, etc. Rather,they prefer to have a recommended precedure manual that individual DZ CI's can refer to with their local wingsuiters.

In addition we are embarking on a process of getting new BMI's trained and qualified with the intention of having at least one at each DZ in the country. This will then go a long way towards providing uniform safe training as well as loose "supervision" of the local wingsuit fraternity.

Safety will be paramount and fun will be the result.

Anyhow, take a look at the document in your email. This will shortly have some revisions and additions - so it's really an ongoing working document.

Blue Skies,

fergs
BMCI

Leo Holanda