spoons 0 #1 October 20, 2005 After some thought, and great tracking dives, I really would like to get into wingsuit flying. Wouldn't be able to do this until next easter or so (so would have another 50 or so jumps), but I was wondering if there is anywhere that I could jump a wingsuit. Being a UK jumper the only way for me to jump a wingsuit in the UK would be under the grandfathering method as outlined in the BPA recommendations: "Grandfathering – Any jumper that does not meet the requirements to jump a wing suit but can demonstrate (I.e. Video/logbook entries) they have done so safely after instruction from an wing suit instructor abroad, may continue to do so." So my question is, where 'abroad' would I be able to jump a wingsuit (if anywhere)? Also, it was stated in the UK skydiving mag that the S-fly Access has a 200 jump limit on it...is the Phoenix Prodigy similar? Does it have the same limit? Anyone know? Cheers. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The111 1 #2 October 20, 2005 USA, USA! I know more than one person from UK who learned to fly here in Florida with just over 200 jumps, then went back home and kept flying. You could try a beginner suit from any company (BirdMan Classic/GTi, Phoenix Fly Prodigy, etc) here in USA with 200 jumps.www.WingsuitPhotos.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
moonglo 0 #3 October 20, 2005 Prodigies do have a 200 jump requirement as well, but I don't know if that may be different where you are. I believe the USPA SIM recomends 200 jumps in 18 months to try any beginner wingsuit with an instructor, or 500 jumps minimum. I know there are wingsuit instructors in Texas, as well as on the east and west coasts if you're looking to come to the USA. Added bonus in the southern regions we jump year round! Check out where the other Phoenix Fly Instructors are located on the PF website. -Jenn PFI#21 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
spoons 0 #4 October 20, 2005 I am more than happy go to the states for a week or two to clock up some wingsuit jumps - I was just wondering if anyone over there would actually coach me?! It'll end up i'll have done 250-ish jumps in about 3-ish years wish isn't too bad by UK standards...but not exactly current by US standards - you guys do that in a weekend! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The111 1 #5 October 20, 2005 Come to Zhills, we have many BMI's and PFI's there, many demo suits available, and it's one of the best flocking DZ's around. New Years always has some good flocking going on, and in March we have the Flock n Dock event. Remind me when it is closer to the time you want to come, and we'll see if there are any good boogies coming up. www.WingsuitPhotos.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
moonglo 0 #6 October 20, 2005 Hijack Does anyone know the dates for the spring 2006 Flock-n-Dock yet? I have to give tons of notice to take time off work at this new job.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Markj 0 #7 October 20, 2005 Where did you read that? Quote "Grandfathering – Any jumper that does not meet the requirements to jump a wing suit but can demonstrate (I.e. Video/logbook entries) they have done so safely after instruction from an wing suit instructor abroad, may continue to do so." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
spoons 0 #8 October 20, 2005 I got it off the BPA website - just here under Form F235 - Guidelines for Jumping a Wing-Suit. Also attached Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bodypilot1 0 #9 October 20, 2005 PM sent Edwww.WestCoastWingsuits.com www.PrecisionSkydiving.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KrisFlyZ 0 #10 October 20, 2005 QuoteHijack Does anyone know the dates for the spring 2006 Flock-n-Dock yet? I have to give tons of notice to take time off work at this new job.... Yeah, when is ZFlock-n-Dock 2006?? I need to get a visa. Kris. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The111 1 #11 October 20, 2005 I just found out, it's official: Due to the brandwar, we will be holding TWO separate Flock N Dock events. One in March for all BirdMen, and one in April for all Phoenix Flyers. (I'M KIDDING!) I don't know when it is, maybe Scott Bland will chime in.www.WingsuitPhotos.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KrisFlyZ 0 #12 October 20, 2005 What about people flying an S-Fly? Kris. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
outrager 6 #13 October 20, 2005 QuoteWhat about people flying an S-Fly? That event will happen in France, quite naturally bsbd! Yuri. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
spoons 0 #14 October 20, 2005 If it wasn't for the great response I've had, I would actually care about the hi-jack Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JFK 0 #15 October 20, 2005 QuoteQuoteWhat about people flying an S-Fly? That event will happen in France, quite naturally That's a nugget :) Jul.JFK #1013 PM Me No Adrenalin.... No Fun! "Minds are like parachutes the Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fergs 0 #16 October 20, 2005 Alan, Come to Oz over the Christmas / New Year period. There's a nice boogie then and we'll have you dancing around the clouds with us in no time. Also some wingsuit events in November if you can make it earlier. It'll be our summer - nice warm days mean nice warm temps at altitude. Blue Skies, fergs BMCI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
spoons 0 #17 October 20, 2005 All so tempting! Only need to get the money together now Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Markj 0 #18 October 20, 2005 Thanks Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pbla4024 0 #19 October 21, 2005 Empuria Brava in Spain is full of British jumpers and WS school is located there. Fido Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dragon2 2 #20 October 21, 2005 If you have 200 jumps, in a relatively short time, and have done a few excersises and have preferably done some freeflying as well, you can do a ffc here in The Netherlands (probaby jumping a Classic). ciel bleu, Saskia Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites voodew1 0 #21 October 21, 2005 Quoteand have done a few excersises and have preferably done some freeflying as well, Just wondering why you would like freefly training?? I personally am not a freeflyer and would rather have a student with RW experience.......my reasonings they are more natural in the belly to earth configuration and probably have tracking experience leaving formations. If you don't mind I would like to hear why you perfer freeflying skills Sorry for being off the topic but I found this comment interesting as I have always perfered the opposite and would like to hear other views (reasoning) The pimp hand is powdered up ... say something stupid Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites gus 1 #22 October 21, 2005 Hi Alan, IMHO currency is way more important than simple jump numbers. If you were current, did a couple of dedicated tracking jumps with a wingsuit instructor, demonstrated good ground/air awareness and ability to fly a pattern then I think alot of instructors would be happy to put you in a Classic or Prodigy. In the UK I mean. Gus (PFI)OutpatientsOnline.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jakee 1,489 #23 October 21, 2005 QuoteIMHO currency is way more important than simple jump numbers. If you were current, did a couple of dedicated tracking jumps with a wingsuit instructor, demonstrated good ground/air awareness and ability to fly a pattern then I think alot of instructors would be happy to put you in a Classic or Prodigy. In the UK I mean. Thats good to hear, I'm also looking to get into a wingsuit as soon as possible. It has seemed to me though that getting a wingsuit instructor willing to take someone like me would be easier than getting a CCI to agree to let someone with less than the 'guideline' amount of jumps/currency fly a suit. Am I right in thinking that or are some CCI's leaving it up to the wingsuit instructors to decide?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dragon2 2 #24 October 21, 2005 QuoteQuoteand have done a few excersises and have preferably done some freeflying as well, Just wondering why you would like freefly training?? I personally am not a freeflyer and would rather have a student with RW experience.......my reasonings they are more natural in the belly to earth configuration and probably have tracking experience leaving formations. If you don't mind I would like to hear why you perfer freeflying skills Sorry for being off the topic but I found this comment interesting as I have always perfered the opposite and would like to hear other views (reasoning) We're looking for a few freefly jumps because then you have some experience with corking etc. Most of the belly flyers we get here have never really been unstable, and some of them kinda freaked (maybe too strong a word but still) when something happened with their wingsuit. And trying real hard to get into a stable box position doesn't help either. With the freeflyers, they've been unstable before when trying to learn to sit, so they're more relaxed about it, and I haven't seen any fighting their suit to get into a box either. This mostly goes for people with low jump numbers, though we think some freefly exp definately helps for everyone. Also, tracking is not a belly fly skill only, most freeflyers here are doing belly/back tracking jumps and atmonauti. I also found the beginners with a lot of CRW exp to be the best at keeping their heading and pattern, so maybe we'll start asking for that too LOL And 4way to be able to take docks without flailing, and ... and ... ciel bleu, Saskia Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites gus 1 #25 October 21, 2005 QuoteAm I right in thinking that or are some CCI's leaving it up to the wingsuit instructors to decide? I think most CCIs are sensible enough to defer judgement to those with more expertise. CCIs cautious attitudes towards wingsuits stems from a lack of experience and that's totally understandable and right. I think if a wingsuit instructor wanted to teach someone and they could justify to the CCI how it was safe then most CCIs will be reasonable about it. GusOutpatientsOnline.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
pbla4024 0 #19 October 21, 2005 Empuria Brava in Spain is full of British jumpers and WS school is located there. Fido Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dragon2 2 #20 October 21, 2005 If you have 200 jumps, in a relatively short time, and have done a few excersises and have preferably done some freeflying as well, you can do a ffc here in The Netherlands (probaby jumping a Classic). ciel bleu, Saskia Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
voodew1 0 #21 October 21, 2005 Quoteand have done a few excersises and have preferably done some freeflying as well, Just wondering why you would like freefly training?? I personally am not a freeflyer and would rather have a student with RW experience.......my reasonings they are more natural in the belly to earth configuration and probably have tracking experience leaving formations. If you don't mind I would like to hear why you perfer freeflying skills Sorry for being off the topic but I found this comment interesting as I have always perfered the opposite and would like to hear other views (reasoning) The pimp hand is powdered up ... say something stupid Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gus 1 #22 October 21, 2005 Hi Alan, IMHO currency is way more important than simple jump numbers. If you were current, did a couple of dedicated tracking jumps with a wingsuit instructor, demonstrated good ground/air awareness and ability to fly a pattern then I think alot of instructors would be happy to put you in a Classic or Prodigy. In the UK I mean. Gus (PFI)OutpatientsOnline.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,489 #23 October 21, 2005 QuoteIMHO currency is way more important than simple jump numbers. If you were current, did a couple of dedicated tracking jumps with a wingsuit instructor, demonstrated good ground/air awareness and ability to fly a pattern then I think alot of instructors would be happy to put you in a Classic or Prodigy. In the UK I mean. Thats good to hear, I'm also looking to get into a wingsuit as soon as possible. It has seemed to me though that getting a wingsuit instructor willing to take someone like me would be easier than getting a CCI to agree to let someone with less than the 'guideline' amount of jumps/currency fly a suit. Am I right in thinking that or are some CCI's leaving it up to the wingsuit instructors to decide?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dragon2 2 #24 October 21, 2005 QuoteQuoteand have done a few excersises and have preferably done some freeflying as well, Just wondering why you would like freefly training?? I personally am not a freeflyer and would rather have a student with RW experience.......my reasonings they are more natural in the belly to earth configuration and probably have tracking experience leaving formations. If you don't mind I would like to hear why you perfer freeflying skills Sorry for being off the topic but I found this comment interesting as I have always perfered the opposite and would like to hear other views (reasoning) We're looking for a few freefly jumps because then you have some experience with corking etc. Most of the belly flyers we get here have never really been unstable, and some of them kinda freaked (maybe too strong a word but still) when something happened with their wingsuit. And trying real hard to get into a stable box position doesn't help either. With the freeflyers, they've been unstable before when trying to learn to sit, so they're more relaxed about it, and I haven't seen any fighting their suit to get into a box either. This mostly goes for people with low jump numbers, though we think some freefly exp definately helps for everyone. Also, tracking is not a belly fly skill only, most freeflyers here are doing belly/back tracking jumps and atmonauti. I also found the beginners with a lot of CRW exp to be the best at keeping their heading and pattern, so maybe we'll start asking for that too LOL And 4way to be able to take docks without flailing, and ... and ... ciel bleu, Saskia Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gus 1 #25 October 21, 2005 QuoteAm I right in thinking that or are some CCI's leaving it up to the wingsuit instructors to decide? I think most CCIs are sensible enough to defer judgement to those with more expertise. CCIs cautious attitudes towards wingsuits stems from a lack of experience and that's totally understandable and right. I think if a wingsuit instructor wanted to teach someone and they could justify to the CCI how it was safe then most CCIs will be reasonable about it. GusOutpatientsOnline.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
