Luminous 0 #26 April 4, 2006 QuoteSDH help and encourage all wingsuit fliers. Assuming you mean that SDH has helped and encouraged all wing suit fliers, there is no argument. You have. However, your current rule regarding low exit vs. no exit neither helps nor encourages any wing suit flier. Quote4 diferent instructors and video complain about wingsuit fliers flying to close Do you mean 4 different times? Every time an instructor, video dude has said something to Jenn she took action and followed through. Hey, whatever happened to that go around/180 rule? Quotenot luminus staff meetings and you know what i mean Do you mean the meetings where I present my case in a clear and concise manner, with supporting facts? This reminds me of when FF's started at SDH and there was a big deal about exit order, (winds ff out last, no winds out first, define wind?). Plenty of confusion and close sightings until the DZO said "Here it is RW, FF." that was that. We learned how to deal with it and over time it has become practicly a non-issue. Hopefully you will rethink this rule and work with Jenn to find the best way to safely accommodate both tandoms and wing suits on the same load. Until then we are forced to jump elsewhere. Cheers. Larry'In an insane society a sane person seems insane.' Mr. Spock Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Luminous 0 #27 April 4, 2006 Quote"When push comes to shove...Do you think the DZ would rather have a few happy WS folks and fly a Cessna, or a bunch of happy other jumpers that fill an Otter?" I'd have to say Otter. The Cessna hasn't flown in years. 'In an insane society a sane person seems insane.' Mr. Spock Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Professor 0 #28 April 4, 2006 Quote There was one incident a year ago where a visiting wingsuit pilot pulled at 2K' and had line twists, Quote complaints... with Troy shooting video, both about a year ago. Neither the wingsuit pilot nor Troy was close enough to captured the other on their videos, Hey Jenn, Voodew and I are sorry about getting you chased off your DZ. Kinda wierd that they're doing this now. A lot of this stuff (Voodew, Me, and I'm guessing the low pulls were Doug) happened quite a while ago, and with people who aren't even jumpers there. Anyway, just go jump at Spaceland. Quote Staff meeting... Does Waller even have any staff left? I thought all your people were at SSM now. Ted Like a giddy school girl. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #29 April 4, 2006 QuoteWould you then punish the whole discipline, or tell the offender (and let the load organizer know) he can't wingsuit there? *I* would punish the person. However, it is quite possible that several people *Appeared* to be a problem to the DZO. If it was more that one person (And this could be due to people who are freaked out by a WS jumper in the same plane...so they could be over reacting...However, if there is the one or two that are acting like jerks, then it opens up the door for people to over react) All I aksed was was it possible a few were acting like jerks? If so then the others there could become hyper-sensitive to the issue. QuoteSee above in my response to sdh- we tried to make things better for the other jumpers whether we thought we erred or not OK, but thats YOU. Is it possible some others were not so nice? QuoteI don't care who you are or how many jumps you have, if you think there's a safety problem let's talk about it and find a safe solution. I agree, but as you can see some people don't agree and are militant that they are right and everyone else is wrong. That does not help the issue. All I am saying is that even though YOU have tried very hard to play nice (It seems that way to me). Is it possible someone else is not and being a pain enough that the DZO had few options left?"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sdh 0 #30 April 4, 2006 maybe it's because it has nothing to do with ya'll. And yes, check the website SDH staff. For people that don't like the way they do bussiness at the other DZ they promoted it well. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sdh 0 #31 April 4, 2006 One more thing she was not chased out. after the staff meeting the decision to not let wingsuit on loads with tandems was made several options wore given and I only got a refusal for an answer . SDH helped by providing free slots to the wingsuit intructor even when the student was already proficent on the wingsuit. I will say this again and again those were our actions and cant be denied. We could have worked something out but what can I say, if that person is yelling "i'm leaving to the other DZ" a little loyalty would have been apreciated Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
badenhop 0 #32 April 4, 2006 Hello Ron, I'll be @ Z-Hills for Flock-n-Dock this weekend. If you are there, can I buzz you, please. I'll be the guy with the purple suit, unless I have my red one on. God bless you. Avery================================== I've got all I need, Jesus and gravity. Dolly Parton http://www.AveryBadenhop.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Professor 0 #33 April 4, 2006 QuoteFor people that don't like the way they do bussiness at the other DZ they promoted it well. Huh? Who? I think there should be a comma or maybe a noun in this sentence somewhere. Are you talking about San Marcos? Or Spaceland? Also, I'm well aware that you still have staff. I looked at your staff page earlier today, and there were people right on there. My comment was a joke. Ted Like a giddy school girl. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jethers203 0 #34 April 4, 2006 Jenn, That sucks to hear. Try and come to Aggieland when you get a chance. I would like to try the wingsuit thing and I am sure we could get a few others to do it as well. Clint D-24352 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Luminous 0 #35 April 4, 2006 QuoteOne more thing she was not chased out. after the staff meeting the decision to not let wingsuit on loads with tandems was made several options wore given and I only got a refusal for an answer . SDH helped by providing free slots to the wingsuit intructor even when the student was already proficent on the wingsuit. I will say this again and again those were our actions and cant be denied. We could have worked something out but what can I say, if that person is yelling "i'm leaving to the other DZ" a little loyalty would have been apreciated Once again you refer to the staff meeting that was not announced beforehand or attended by more than 3 people with an actual rating. Ok, MAYBE 4. Your "Serveral Options" are 2. Get out low or don't get out. If this is incorrect please clarify. There is no argument that you have, IN THE PAST, provided support to wingsuit instructors and students. Nobody is denying it. "We could have worked somthing out". Your response to all our inquires was, "That's the new rule". We had no choice but to exit for another DZ. And I don't recall a lot of yelling. Loyalty? It's funny that you should speak of loyalty. The core of your regular fun jumpers were there before you showed up, myself included. SDH has been a part of my life for over 10 years, thick & thin. Howeever, one can take only so much BS and non-jumping, so a change was mandated. Loyalty has to flow both ways. I truly have nothing against you personally, but you make some really bad decisions at times. Cheers. Larry'In an insane society a sane person seems insane.' Mr. Spock Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
moonglo 0 #36 April 4, 2006 Quote...if that person is yelling "i'm leaving to the other DZ" a little loyalty would have been apreciated I must have missed this part, who was yelling? I was speaking with jumpers and an S&TA while you were up flying the load. Then I let people know I would be jumping at Spaceland that afternoon and left, since there was no point in me hanging around for tandems on every load. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Merkur 1 #37 April 4, 2006 Hey folks, do I need to come back to get this sorted out??? M.vSCR No.94 Don't dream your life - live your dream! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #38 April 4, 2006 QuoteHello Ron, I'll be @ Z-Hills for Flock-n-Dock this weekend. If you are there, can I buzz you, please I will not be there, but if you ask me before hand I have no problem with a buzz job. As long as: 1. We have agreed to the "nojoy" altitude. 2. We agree on the distance. 3. Its not a tandem. 4. We both agree which jump it is. I think that it can be quite fun as long as those 4 things are met. Ray Dutch has buzzed me a few times, a few others have as well. As long as I am asked, I normally agree."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amanduh 0 #39 April 5, 2006 Quotechirp-chirp Looks like I'm coming back... oh HELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL yeah!!!!!!!!!!!!! *MeOwW* Quotebut I'd like to visit all the local DZs I haven't been to in the last 6 months or more. Completely understandable. I think now would be a good time to start getting your DZ Nomad roll on. Me and hippy Bill already have Houston DZ Nomad #1 & #2, you and Larry wanna be 3 & 4? Seroiusly...set something up at Spaceland. I know several that have been wanting to test out birdie flight QuoteI get my wisdom teeth yanked out April 28 and will be grounded for at least 2 weeks after that. OUCH! Sorry to hear that girl...I'll wish ya a speedy recovery on that one! Oh yeah..is it time for another happy hour yet? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hippydiver 0 #40 April 5, 2006 I'll be at Spaceland with Blake this Saturday all day. You should come out 'manduh.---------- gravity rat formula 109 Team Gonzo and Team Jamaican Me Crazy no bullshit, let's just fly, be safe, and have fun. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
moonglo 0 #41 April 5, 2006 QuoteI think now would be a good time to start getting your DZ Nomad roll on. So would that be more of a birdie migration? QuoteOh yeah..is it time for another happy hour yet? Its always time for another happy hour! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amanduh 0 #42 April 5, 2006 QuoteI'll be at Spaceland with Blake this Saturday all day. You should come out 'manduh. Hm...that is very tempting...I'll see what I can do. QuoteSo would that be more of a birdie migration? That was funny But yeah..call it whatever you want girl Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
moonglo 0 #43 July 3, 2006 UPDATE: Skydive Houston is under new management! The S&TA will be publishing a new rule: wingsuits exit last with a minimum delay of 30 seconds after the last tandem or student leaves and an opening altitude of 3K or higher. Great job last weekend by the new manager, Joe! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Tonto 1 #44 July 4, 2006 What aircraft are they operating? What is the exit altitude? tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites phoenixlpr 0 #45 July 4, 2006 QuoteThe S&TA will be publishing a new rule: wingsuits exit last with a minimum delay of 30 seconds after the last tandem or student leaves and an opening altitude of 3K or higher. That delay looks a bit extreme and way out of spot. It could be a good base of cross-crountry WS. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites moonglo 0 #46 July 4, 2006 Super Twin Otter Exits last weekend were 13.5k' to 14k' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Tonto 1 #47 July 4, 2006 So... 30 seconds is nearly 1 mile past the last Tandem out. Do you have any spot concerns? tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites moonglo 0 #48 July 4, 2006 Not a big deal really. If we're too far out we just ask for a 180, take a downwind exit and fly home I tried a 30 count Sunday for a 2way flock after 4 tandems exited and it did feel really long, but then we played around a cloud and landed off anyways so more research will be needed edited for spelling Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ultraviolet 0 #49 July 4, 2006 Why not just exit before the tandems ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites moonglo 0 #50 July 4, 2006 The problem was with the tandem instructors not wanting us around, if we left before them we would still be opening with them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 Next Page 2 of 3 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
Tonto 1 #44 July 4, 2006 What aircraft are they operating? What is the exit altitude? tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phoenixlpr 0 #45 July 4, 2006 QuoteThe S&TA will be publishing a new rule: wingsuits exit last with a minimum delay of 30 seconds after the last tandem or student leaves and an opening altitude of 3K or higher. That delay looks a bit extreme and way out of spot. It could be a good base of cross-crountry WS. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
moonglo 0 #46 July 4, 2006 Super Twin Otter Exits last weekend were 13.5k' to 14k' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tonto 1 #47 July 4, 2006 So... 30 seconds is nearly 1 mile past the last Tandem out. Do you have any spot concerns? tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
moonglo 0 #48 July 4, 2006 Not a big deal really. If we're too far out we just ask for a 180, take a downwind exit and fly home I tried a 30 count Sunday for a 2way flock after 4 tandems exited and it did feel really long, but then we played around a cloud and landed off anyways so more research will be needed edited for spelling Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ultraviolet 0 #49 July 4, 2006 Why not just exit before the tandems ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
moonglo 0 #50 July 4, 2006 The problem was with the tandem instructors not wanting us around, if we left before them we would still be opening with them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
