Stall induced spin

[tdog 0]

So, I was on a three way PF (2 Phantom, 1 Vampire) flock... I wanted to get up some because I went a bit low on exit, and I punched it out as hard as I could... The suit started to shake, rattle, and roll a bit, like a canopy feels when it stalls... I could feel the lift being lost.

Then suddenly I am on my back spinning and tumbling...

It was actually quite fun at 10,000 feet - even though it became a solo jump at that point... My helmet cam shows 6 complete revolutions before I got out of it - and shows I was solid on heading and level until the sudden flip. It appears my right side lost lift because I rolled that way in just a few frames.

I knew, from my previous flat spin that an exit gone bad could make a spin - but this one makes me owe more .

Anyway - anyone got similar experiences??? Even with the spin dive that reached 116 MPH, my dive average was 70 MPH and 50 before and after the stall.

[The111 1]

If you stall your suit and then leave your body in that same position, yes you will spin/tumble out of control. I've done it, at below 3,000 feet. But as you gain experience you will learn how to predict a tumble and prevent it by dynamically adapting your body to the stall, and flying out of the stall. It's like the baby who loses his balance and falls repeatedly, until he realizes all he has to do is shift his weight and stick a foot out to stop from falling. Next thing he is walking.

You will also learn to stop "flat spins" in much less than 6 revolutions and learn that (my opinion here) there is no such thing as an "out of control flat spin", at least with a modern wingsuit being flown by a competent pilot. Spins are a real risk for beginners though, I have been in dozens. (I do not know your experience tdog and am not calling you a beginner or anything, this is a general comment)

A wingsuit stall is not very comparable to a canopy stall since you have SO much more immediate control over every point of the airfoil with a wingsuit.

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[nathaniel 0]

Random thought on the subject, I like to think of spins in the context of one's background in either bellyflying or freeflying.

For a bellyflier, the safety position is to counter the spin, then go to boxman and a deep arch. These techniques are not too helpful when trying to resolve a spin in a wingsuit--the suit prevents you from reaching above your head, arching doesn't really help and "countering" the spin in what feels like a natural way can be counter productive.

For freefliers (sitfliers), the safety position is curled up in a ball. Countering a spin in a freeflying jump is more about prevention. By the time you detect that you're rotating you've got a chance to stop after one or two rotations. Barring that, the forces add up so fast that you're better off going neutral, curling up, and try again. This is fairly commensurate to a dealing with a spin in a wingsuit. People who have experience freeflying thus have a bit of an advantage when it comes to negotiating spins, if their skydiving instincts tell them to curl up when they get into a spin.

My advice is to do what your parents did; get a job, sir. The bums will always lose. Do you hear me, Lebowski?

[RJmoney 0]

Tdog needs to stop spinning. This is my story of his first spinning thingy.
I am in the plane all excited about a 3way flock, then you exit and watch tdog start spinning on his back and realize now you only have a 2 way and your flocking partner is an ugly cuban that goes by jumpnaked69 on this website. Its a pretty dissappointing story.
late,
RJ$$

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[tdog 0]

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You will also learn to stop "flat spins" in much less than 6 revolutions and learn that (my opinion here) there is no such thing as an "out of control flat spin", at least with a modern wingsuit being flown by a competent pilot. Spins are a real risk for beginners though, I have been in dozens. (I do not know your experience tdog and am not calling you a beginner or anything, this is a general comment).

I looked at the video - 3 seconds to get out of a spin, I thought that was pretty quick. ;-) Actually, I was stubborn and tried to fly out of it for a rotation or two with the legs and arms extended, before I tucked up and flew out of it almost suddenly... So, since it is only my second spin ever, I was just trying new things and learning what works and what doesn't... Keeping inflated and trying to fly does not...