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and Jarno, you can kiss the PF logo on my color coded butt deflector
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KrisFlyZ 0
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It's a step back, flocking wise (regardless of speed and efficiency) and that doesn't make sense to me.
Chuck, after opening 3 new walls with V2 over the weekend i very strongly suggest you reconsider. It took about 30 flights to dial it in, but now V2 flies like absolutely nothing else in the sky. I am much happier on this trip than i was with the same suit in the same mountains a month ago
This does include the best vertical range out there. The only way i can possibly see you wishing for more is if you want to fly slow in both horizontal and vertical dimentions - but then you just need a large surface area, a big tarp you could schlare
bsbd!
Yuri.
voodew1 0
Quote........... and looking a graphs I fly on average at 35-38mph for at least 10 to 15 seconds.
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Holy shit, are you geeking the software??? And you guys pick on Zach?!? Thats weak, Later dhaweeb.
In response to Glen's rude comment --- after looking at porn on the internet for hours at time I usually down load my pro-track which is the only log book i keep. It is very hard to not look at what has happened on the jump as I type in my views in the comment section (as I keep looking at porn). So I really think I am quite manly (You heard me say I was looking at porn right?) and not a geek.
As for Zach.................well, Zach your a bitch!
Damn it, my wife says I have to come down stairs and do the dishes
The pimp hand is powdered up ... say something stupid
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KrisFlyZ 0
QuoteI also think there is no sweet spot or stall point with the V2 because of the steep angle.
The angle is steep on the V series of suits because of the wing area distribution(the biggest difference between the SF family and the Vampire Family).
Any suit can be stalled. DOn't know about sweet spot on V2 but seems like Yuri's post suggests that he found it .
Kris.
outrager 6
QuoteVery interesting Yuri. I have actually always noticed something similar when maxing out my S3 in the sky, and I thought it was just me. Is this observation of yours unique to the V2, or would you say it applies to other high-end suits (waiting for a joke about how my suit is not high-end)?
It applied for all suits i have flown so far, even more for Classic and Prodigy.
But screw the suits, freeclimbing an ice-covered vertical exposed wall to the exit point is where all the fun is! Can't believe i'm sitting here writing... was quite a day!
bsbd!
Yuri.
QuoteThats something that needs to be discussed more
which is better - diving the suit for speed(sacrificing some of the vertical slowness) or trying to balance everything for slow vertical decent and good forward speed if the end result is we open at the same place at the same altitude, I just take longer to get there.
It all depends on available altitude and glide ratio. But usually if you dive and plane out you're fooling yourself when you think that you're "maxing out". The best distance (over the limited altitude) resulted from the dive-induced speed does not imply best L/D.
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QuoteV-2 seems to be balanced significantly "nose-down" (at least, for my body). Combined with good glide angle due to good overall aerodynamics of the suit, this results in a rather small angle of attack, giving the suit its tremendous speed. However, the small angle of attack doesn't produce the best glide.
It's much like receiving a canopy from the factory with A-B lines 6" shorter than they should be. Effectively, you fly on double fronts without even pulling on them. Lots of speed, but not the best glide.
That is exactly what I feel when I fly the suit, Yuri.
QuoteYou can not just hold the grippers loosely like a S3/S but you have to really push them down and out a bit (for maximum performance not for flocking). This way you should also get a bit more headsup and flatten the glide.
That's not what Robi says or does. He told me to my face that he uses as little force as possible to just hold the wingtips "out", not "down". Forcing the grippers into position deforms the wing. That said, I have tried both ways in my Vampire. If I want to fly fast, I hold them loose. If I want max vertical range in a flock, I am pretty much gorrilla-gripping them. If I am doing the latter, my arms get smoked jumping the suit. It was the same in the V2, only more so in order to keep my fore/aft balance comfortable.
robibird 3
How to fly the suit is known in general for most of the suit and as well for V1 or V2. Small differences exist due the different body shapes or weight distribution.
In short, what apply to me, not necessarily apply to Chuck or Yuri or Kris. We are not rigid profiles nor we are the same body shape (thanks god)
Jumping the suit in skydiving environment is not the same as in BASE environment. Very often I noticed that skydivers got confused by feelings they had in the jumps. BASE environment ''helps'' in getting the better picture about distance flying because you know in few seconds how much you suck :)
Distance or ''parachuting'' down is different type of flying and flying technique is entirely different.
Stretching the wings on V2 or V1 when you want to fly distance ( best glide ) are totally wrong, this apply for ''parachuting'' down....
What I said to Chuck is true, The V2 fly the best when you think you are no hanging in the sky!!
''Hanging'' feeling happens very close to stall point and that is not even close to max glide nor max speed.
For better understanding I really advice ws flyers to read about the aerodynamics at PF web site / article section.
robert@phoenix-fly.com
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Whatever. At any rate, all of the three suits listed can be listed as "great" performance suits. There is no one "best suit" for everyone's flying style or body type.
Chuck
skreamer 1
QuoteJumping the suit in skydiving environment is not the same as in BASE environment.
How about in the windtunnel environment? If you jump your suit in a windtunnel you must know instantly how much you suck.
Thats also what I heard Tristan mention about flying his new V2..(which actualy manages to make his butt-ugly rig look cool, due to the matching colours)
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