IslandGuy 0 #26 January 17, 2007 Why would wind be less of a factor in BASE than a jump from altitude? I've never done BASE but I've climbed enough rock to know that there is usually wind in those canyons. So whether the wind is at altitude or driving up the face of a cliff (we have all seen hang gliders riding ridge and cliff lift) it still introduces an error when calculating glide ratio based solely on geographic datum, and I'd suggest possibly even more so in a BASE environment because the winds tend to have a substantial vertical component. From a plane, you can at least fly upwind/downwind legs to try and determine what effect the winds are having on your data (agreed this is not perfect since the winds can vary significantly depending upon altitude). However, in a BASE environment this form of wind error estimation/correction is not possible. In BASE, if you have good winds, you have awesome glide ratios, with bad winds, you possibly have not only bad glide ratios, but a very bad day. Like I said, I've never done BASE but from my climbing days I've felt varying degrees of wind on a cliff face, and since the comments I've seen here have suggested that BASE jump glide ratio calculations are not affected by wind, I'd suggest otherwise. Really looking to hear from the guys that make the BASE jumps to hear how much wind they typically jump in and if they feel it is significant enough to affect their flight results.Play like your life depends on it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
desert1 0 #27 January 17, 2007 hello krisflyZ, i also must diasagree on this one, i and have seen (regularly jump with) people much taller than robi with huge leg wings that fly mucho excelente. enjoy, luka--------------------------------- canyon bar Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KrisFlyZ 0 #28 January 17, 2007 Quotehello krisflyZ, i also must diasagree on this one, i and have seen (regularly jump with) people much taller than robi with huge leg wings that fly mucho excelente. enjoy, luka Let me see a picture of these guys standing on the ground wearing the suit with the wings spread. Are they flying much better than 2.7? Kris. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Heffro1 0 #29 January 17, 2007 sorry gents but the tall skinny guys win out on this one. I've had students that would give any top wingsuit pilot a run for their money, doesn't matter how many jumps you have, someone taller and lighter than you will be able to out fly you if they can fly reasonably well. Robi is about the same height and weight as me, so I would be interested in flying with him for max glide, maybe at flock and dock we could do a two way just to see.BUY A WINGSUIT My Website Tony Suits [url "http:/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The111 1 #30 January 17, 2007 Quotesorry gents but the tall skinny guys win out on this one. Why do you think a tall skinny guy can glide better than a tall stocky guy?www.WingsuitPhotos.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
outrager 6 #31 January 17, 2007 Quotesorry gents but the tall skinny guys win out on this one. This is an obvious and big advantage, but only to a point where endurance comes to play. When you have to hold it for a long while, tall and skinny may have a harder time. So, how about a few cliffs this summer? bsbd! Yuri. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkymonkeyONE 4 #32 January 17, 2007 Yuri, I can promise you that both Jeff and I would LOVE to come visit some big cliffs with you guys. It's, seriously, the only part of BASE that appeals to me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
outrager 6 #33 January 17, 2007 QuoteWhy would wind be less of a factor in BASE than a jump from altitude? Generally we just don't jump if there is much wind, and being right there before exit, we can easily check direction and speed of whatever wind there is. But anyway, flights we use for determining D/L are simply made in zero-wind conditions. bsbd! Yuri. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
outrager 6 #34 January 17, 2007 QuoteYuri, I can promise you that both Jeff and I would LOVE to come visit some big cliffs with you guys. It's, seriously, the only part of BASE that appeals to me. Allright! Summer is coming soon, let's go play! Will stay in touch bsbd! Yuri. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IslandGuy 0 #35 January 17, 2007 QuoteQuoteWhy would wind be less of a factor in BASE than a jump from altitude? Generally we just don't jump if there is much wind, Thanks Yuri for that bit of info - I just figured the number of days with minimal wind were few. In that case the data is about as accurate as it gets. Now, just don't start messing it up by flying those canyons in ground effect. MikePlay like your life depends on it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Macthe 0 #36 January 18, 2007 SOOO, is the big heavy guy gonna out speed the big light guy, or what??? I know Ryans fat ass is hard to catch and he's in a little [realtivly] small suit [phantom] I think he's 6.4 and 275 pounds fast, flat and fat?? confuses me Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Macthe 0 #37 January 18, 2007 QuoteQuotesorry gents but the tall skinny guys win out on this one. This is an obvious and big advantage, but only to a point where endurance comes to play. When you have to hold it for a long while, tall and skinny may have a harder time. So, how about a few cliffs this summer? haha, so base is for the taller weaker sex bsbd! Yuri. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
01Blade 0 #38 January 18, 2007 im 6'7" and 185lbs. I jump a middle size suit and i can leave anybody in the dust. I have jumped with every suit. exept tony wing suits. and none of them can keep up with me in my old suit. Even when i had 1 wing suit jump i still had to go down to everyone. Im thinkin about buying a tracking suit so i dont have to deal with all that flapping.deinflate your ego Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yuri_base 1 #39 January 18, 2007 For those who knew Patrick De Gayardon or were around that time, what kind of glide ratios he was getting in his first ever ram-air wingsuit? Judging by the angle of smoke trail in this picture, he was not far off from today. (It might have been a planeout; in this article he mentions that he would sometimes intentionally gain extra 20-25mph to temporarily slow the fallrate. He does mention "I also used a barograph, an airspeed indicator and a GPS." And another history germ: "In Italy, I could make a 32 second delay. The wings offered me 1100 m of altitude. [....] I did the last jumps with a stiletto 135, no more need for a BASE jump rig!" )Android+Wear/iOS/Windows apps: L/D Vario, Smart Altimeter, Rockdrop Pro, Wingsuit FAP iOS only: L/D Magic Windows only: WS Studio Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
outrager 6 #40 January 18, 2007 QuoteFor those who knew Patrick De Gayardon or were around that time, what kind of glide ratios he was getting in his first ever ram-air wingsuit? Judging by the angle of smoke trail in this picture, he was not far off from today. And another history germ: "In Italy, I could make a 32 second delay. The wings offered me 1100 m of altitude. [....] I did the last jumps with a stiletto 135, no more need for a BASE jump rig!" ) AFAIK at ITW he never made it to LZ. Making LZ requires 1.5..1.7, depending on your start and opening altitude allowances. Also, 32sec was done at ITW in a tracking suit. bsbd! Yuri. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
unclecharlie95 3 #41 January 18, 2007 This is correct, he used to fly to the Heli LZ. The story about him jumping a Stiletto is true...BASEstore.it Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
outrager 6 #42 January 18, 2007 QuoteThis is correct, he used to fly to the Heli LZ. BTW, do you have the numbers for a helipad LZ? It ought to be just over 1? bsbd! Yuri. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gus 1 #43 January 18, 2007 QuoteBTW, do you have the numbers for a helipad LZ? It ought to be just over 1? Are many / any people tracking there these days? I've seen a couple come close. GusOutpatientsOnline.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bodypilot1 0 #44 January 18, 2007 QuoteThe story about him jumping a Stiletto is true... A Stiletto at ITW? Be safe Edwww.WestCoastWingsuits.com www.PrecisionSkydiving.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pbla4024 0 #45 January 18, 2007 I've heard same story from French guys, so I think it's true. Fido Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
unclecharlie95 3 #46 January 18, 2007 Quote A Stiletto at ITW? Yes, not recommended. The opening was "interesting" by all accounts...BASEstore.it Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
unclecharlie95 3 #47 January 18, 2007 Quote Are many / any people tracking there these days? I've seen a couple come close. As far as I know, no, not in freefall. They make it to the corner of the sun plates though.BASEstore.it Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fab777 0 #48 January 18, 2007 Quote Judging by the angle of smoke trail in this picture, he was not far off from today. Be careful with visual judgement of slope by smoke on a pic or vid. It's confusing, and you'll almost always think the GR is better than it is actually. Just watch the Soul flyer 2 vid. Seems like nobody can beat them, until the camera flyer comes to the side and we see the real angle... And then, it's closer to 1.something. To give a realistic angle, a pic needs to be taken for the side, on the same level, and from far enough. GPS is the best tool. Fabien BASE#944 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KrisFlyZ 0 #49 January 20, 2007 Quoteim 6'7" and 185lbs. I jump a middle size suit and i can leave anybody in the dust. I have jumped with every suit. exept tony wing suits. and none of them can keep up with me in my old suit. Even when i had 1 wing suit jump i still had to go down to everyone. Im thinkin about buying a tracking suit so i dont have to deal with all that flapping. Who's alter ego are you? Quotedeinflate your ego Ego?? There is no such thing. Skydivers and BASE jumpers don't have egos at all. Kris. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
