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learning how to freefly help when it comes time to put on a wingsuit?

[voodew1 0]

Learning how to track --- and I mean track well will be really all you need. Stability is a good thing to

I would prefer to teach a RW person over a freeflyer but it really doesn't matter

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There's always been a big question... what's a better track? One that gets a lot of distance but loses alt quick, or one that doesn't get that much distance but is flatter? And how this relates to wingsuits?

[voodew1 0]

The reply for wingsuiting would be the track that is straight and in total control is what I would want to see out of a first flight student ------ after that you can do what you like -- if you really like the speed dive the suit or be more head low --- if you like the long flights fly much more 'flat' not really head high but not really head low

The is always something new to do

If you want to practice -- do a traking dives concentrating on flying straight , turning 180 smoothly whil tracking and flying back -- never bringing your arm forward at all.

Practice stable flight with both hands on the BOC which would simulate how you pull with a wingsuit

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[notsane 0]

... having the ability to navigate is more important to me. Next would be having fun. You can learn to max the suit out by making a bunch of wingsuit dives after you've got the first two things down.

[The111 1]

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There's always been a big question... what's a better track? One that gets a lot of distance but loses alt quick, or one that doesn't get that much distance but is flatter? And how this relates to wingsuits?

By "flat" are you referring to glide ratio or body position? Because a perfectly flat body (relative to the horizon) will get you a glide ratio of zero.

If the debate is over whether high glide ratio or low glide ratio is preferable, there can be no debate, if the goal is known. If the goal is breakoff separation, for example, you want the best glide ratio.

If the debate is over what body position gives best glide ratio, that is tougher. The answer lies somewhere in between a stall and a dive. As Jason said, just learn to fly smooth, relative to others and you'll be there.

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[VectorBoy 0]

Being familiar with freeflying isn't a bad thing when transitioning to wingsuits.

Every so often a first timer will wingover on their first exit due to being too stiff and exiting asymmetrically. They end up in a shallow head down carve. Those familiar with this position won't panic. Free flyers do that very exit on purpose.

Also Suits like the Acro are a proficient freeflyers dream. Opening up the possibilities of the ordinary flock. Kind of like an Atmonuati on steriods.

[OmarPR 0]

You stole the words right out of my mouth.

In addition, I've noticed several "RW" students flying their ws in a box-man position (due to muscle memory) and freaking out when a little unstable, making them go even more out of control.

In my experience and opinion, freeflyers make better students.

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[phoenixlpr 0]

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In addition, I've noticed several "RW" students flying their ws in a box-man position (due to muscle memory) and freaking out when a little unstable, making them go even more out of control.

I got my first jump in my burnt in tracking position. Is that better? My instructor had some little challenge to follow my dead brick trajectory...

[SkymonkeyONE 4]

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You stole the words right out of my mouth.

In addition, I've noticed several "RW" students flying their ws in a box-man position (due to muscle memory) and freaking out when a little unstable, making them go even more out of control.
In my experience and opinion, freeflyers make better students.

I don't know about freeflyers being "better" students, but I can tell you that some of the worst body positions I have ever seen in first flight students were flown by older RW guys with many thousands of jumps. Like Omar said, it's muscle memory.

Chuck

[mccordia 74]

Same here...students who freefly/track a lot seem to score a bit higher on flying in a good body posture from the start.

People with an RW history do seem more at ease with docking and relative flying straight from the start in the ones Ive seen so far...

Freeflyers seem more prone to 'reach' for a grip...RW people seem to know reaching is bad and have more airtime 'holding hands'

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[OSOK 0]

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Practice stable flight with both hands on the BOC which would simulate how you pull with a wingsuit

You mean the whole track like that? or switching back and forth?

Any other drills that will come in handy?

[Heffro1 0]

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Practice stable flight with both hands on the BOC which would simulate how you pull with a wingsuit

Practice flying with both hands on bottom corner of rig, knees bent (very important), with a good arch and your chin up. while in this position (at a high altitude) make your self unstable so you can become familiar with instability in this position. Also practice tracking exits as if you are trying to follow the plane. Face forward in the door, side step out presenting the center of your chest to the relative wind, hands at sides, chin up, slight arch. and lastly practice navigation do not fly downwind or through jump run, fly to the upwind side of dz. These tips wont guarantee you a perfect ws flight but will help you to have better odds at a good ws experience. 10 minute call got to go.

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[980 0]

noticed the new user icon...

Are you still jumping the V2 or jumping it again?

I thought you were going to sell it after some dissapointment with its flocking abilities?

inquiring minds want to know

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[jakee 1,500]

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Any other drills that will come in handy?

I asked this question a year or two ago, some advice that I got was to fly a whole tracking dive pretending you are in a wingsuit. Basically mimicking the restrictiveness of it - from exit with imaginary arm and leg wings collapsed, to full flight, to symmetrical pull to harness steer and pretend unzipping (in clear airspace of course).

If nothing else I'm pretty sure it made me feel a lot more comfortable in the suit for my first real w/s jumps.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[notsane 0]

I flew base for some dives in Puerto Rico with my V2 when the arm zipper on my S3 started acting up. The V2 flew a fine base.

BTW, that very suit is still for sale!

Scott

[SkymonkeyONE 4]

Scott has a lot of damn suits (all matching of course), but he has been flying his new Mach1 lately.

[notsane 0]

Is five a lot?

[nathaniel 0]

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learning how to freefly help when it comes time to put on a wingsuit?

I think so because the safety position for a wingsuit is more like a freefly than a rw dive. One of the nastier things that can go wrong on your early wingsuit dives is to get into a spin. I don't think it's a really big deal but in skydivers I've met who showed interest in wingsuits it's been a pressing concern that they expressed to me.

The RW "instinct" I've encountered is to try to counter the spin, which doesn't work in a wingsuit due to the design of the suit and the restrictions it puts on you. Freeflyers, imo, are more likely to find it natural to ball up or fly out with their bodies and not fight the suit with their arms & legs.

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[Gadget 0]

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[OmarPR 0]

"I think so because the safety position for a wingsuit is more like a freefly than a rw dive. One of the nastier things that can go wrong on your early wingsuit dives is to get into a spin. I don't think it's a really big deal but in skydivers I've met who showed interest in wingsuits it's been a pressing concern that they expressed to me.

The RW "instinct" I've encountered is to try to counter the spin, which doesn't work in a wingsuit due to the design of the suit and the restrictions it puts on you. Freeflyers, imo, are more likely to find it natural to ball up or fly out with their bodies and not fight the suit with their arms & legs. "


Yeah. What he said.

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