WS, chest mounted altimeters, full face helmets

[Waldschrat 0]

Equipment: New Phantom WS, Springo160, right arm belt mounted, analog altimeter, Z1 full face helmet. , one dytter (3200m, 1900m, 1100m warnings)

Experience: 140 WS flights

.....after a uneventful WS flight, i pulled at 3500ft and experienced a hit in my back, my head was pulled on my chest, canopy was flying with a slow left spin.

I decided to open my zippers quickly, after i unzip the second armwing and grab the risers over my neck, the canopy started spinning more violently (possible through shifting my gear) and all my efforts to untangled the line twists wasn't successful.

I decided to chop but only after i take two hands to cut away, i was successful.
....short wild freefall, then i came belly to earth and deployed the reserve with a clean opening at 1450ft

During the hole incident i couldn't see my chest mounted alti.

conclusions: i wear a second alti at my wrist or GPS in height mode in future.
i will immediately using my wing cutaways at problems without experiments.
event. i buy another helmet with more visual field.

Sorry for my bad english, anyhow i hope you guys could follow me.

[dragon2 2]

How about jumping a more wingsuit friendly canopy?

ciel bleu,
Saskia

[The111 1]

Would you be able to see the chest-mounted altimeter, with a full face, WITHOUT the wingsuit?

Congrats on staying alive.

www.WingsuitPhotos.com

[jakee 1,500]

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right arm belt mounted

What does this mean?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[Waldschrat 0]

In work dragon since 3 weeks, but airtec has 6 weeks delivery time at the moment.

@ 111 probably i should be able to become my head in front of the linetwists, without loosing time to unzip the wingsuit.

@jakee I mean the alti is not mounted at the wrist belt, only at the right arm belt.

[JohanW 0]

Hmmmmmmmmm. I'd say you were lucky. I'd say you didn't give yourself every chance you might have had. Glad you're still here. Hope you smarten up a little. No offence.

Do you have riser inserts? Sounds like they would have helped with the cutaway.

If my head were pinned to my chest, and the canopy isn't flying perfectly straight and not reacting to harness input at all, I'm chopping. It's going to take too long, esp. if I can't move the twist to below the links and see which way I have to untwist. There are canopies that fly perfectly straight and do not react to harness at all; if you don't have one like that, you might have to take into account where you're going and chop immediately if you don't like it. That's an unnecessary decision moment. Decision moments take time. BTW, you can chop without unzipping.

You seem to have a chest mount alti somewhere centered. With your head pinned down, you want either an alti on a wrist which you can swing into view, or one mounted to either side you can see past the nose of the helmet, or a different helmet. Now did you or did you not have a right arm belt mounted alti? If you can see that one, you don't need the other one, do you? Also, there's Eyeballs Mk. One.

The violent spin started after freeing your arms, when you went to the risers. What good would using wing cutaways do over unzipping? I tend to regard the cutaways as for use only when a zipper gets stuck; unzipping is as fast and gives more freedom of movement. (Try this one on the ground sometime - cut the armwings away and raise your arms. Preferably unpacked and with someone holding up your risers.)

You pulled at 3500'. Your Dytter was set for 3200m, 1900m, 1100m, which is roughly 10000'(why?), 6000' (why?), 3500'. Why not set it for separation, opening, hard deck? Could you please explain this? I really don't get it, and I think I would like to discuss.

Yes, I think I can follow you, and I don't necessarily agree with all your conclusions. There are other, in my not very humble opinion better, options. But I'm sure glad you're still here to talk about it.

(I'd take this to PMs because I can just see the thread being kidnapped. But I think there's much to be learned here. Kidnappers, please constrain yourselves.)

Johan.
I am. I think.

[mccordia 74]

The fullface helmet would definately limit your view a little. Espcialy when it comes to a chest mounted alti.

I prefer open face helmets, although partly for that reason, its mostly because you get much more inflight/visual communication across when you can clearly see and read peoples faces

JC
FlyLikeBrick
I'm an Athlete?

[Waldschrat 0]

Thanks for the responses

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Do you have riser inserts? Sounds like they would have helped with the cutaway.
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No Antitwist riser or retrofit hardhousings in the risers.
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If my head were pinned to my chest, and the canopy isn't flying perfectly straight and not reacting to harness input at all, I'm chopping. It's going to take too long, esp. if I can't move the twist to below the links and see which way I have to untwist.
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At the first time after the malfunction the canopy was turning slower and my head was not pinned totaly on my chest at this time. I don't give up to fast and so i see my chance.
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BTW, you can chop without unzipping.
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Yes
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You seem to have a chest mount alti somewhere centered. With your head pinned down, you want either an alti on a wrist which you can swing into view, or one mounted to either side you can see past the nose of the helmet, or a different helmet. Now did you or did you not have a right arm belt mounted alti? If you can see that one, you don't need the other one, do you? Also, there's Eyeballs Mk. One.
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Again, sorry for my bad describing.....pictures in the attachment.
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The violent spin started after freeing your arms, when you went to the risers. What good would using wing cutaways do over unzipping?
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Maybe a little time, but after thinking i am agree with you.....marginal difference.

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You pulled at 3500'. Your Dytter was set for 3200m, 1900m, 1100m, which is roughly 10000'(why?), 6000' (why?), 3500'. Why not set it for separation, opening, hard deck? Could you please explain this? I really don't get it, and I think I would like to discuss.
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Speed and distance try, solo flight, chin to chest looking slightly backwards and i orientate on markant points.
Flight Plan: Exit, turn right, beep, turn right, beep, turn right, beep, deployment altitude. (match with alti)
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Yes, I think I can follow you, and I don't necessarily agree with all your conclusions. There are other, in my not very humble opinion better, options. But I'm sure glad you're still here to talk about it.
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Which other conclusions?
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(I'd take this to PMs because I can just see the thread being kidnapped. Kidnappers, please constrain yourselves.)

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I doesn't think so.

Regards H.

[Kunstrasen 0]

Hi,

what I can say is that I was jumping a Springo 140 with a WL of about 1,6. I think it is generally a nice cannopy, never had problems without WS. But I had to cut it twice on WS jumps. After the second one I sold it.

I think it is a good decision that you are going for a new canopy on WS jumps.
Stay safe, have fun.