DSE 5 #1 August 18, 2011 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2j4hNgBL8wY ~If you can't pack, don't jump. ~if you can't identify the difference between a lineover, line twist, and a step-through, don't jump. ~If you have to geek the camera on a wingsuit deployment, don't jump. ~if you can't manage a big suit with low wingsuit jump experience, don't jump. It just makes others look bad. This is an "experienced skydiver" renting one of my school rigs. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NewGuy2005 53 #2 August 18, 2011 I'll bite: What was the cause? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DSE 5 #3 August 18, 2011 Gonna let the cause breathe til more people see it. Lines were properly walked, canopy stowed entirely correctly, it's a stowless Dbag and lines were all properly figure-8'ted into the flap. Hint; the packer left approx 36" of unstowed line in the tray. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NewGuy2005 53 #4 August 18, 2011 A "deployment through"? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rooky 0 #5 August 18, 2011 Hmm, for me, it looks like a line over. A complete one over the whole canopy down the opposite side lines. With one or more lines, hard to tell from the video. But there are a few twists in the right line group as well, so there might be more than the lineover. Greez, Martin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
feuergnom 28 #6 August 18, 2011 Quote If you can't pack, don't jump. nice try, but this would probably eliminate 1/3 of the u.s. jumping population or put packers out of work Quote ~if you can't identify the difference between a lineover, line twist, and a step-through, don't jump. doesn't matter what it is - only question is: why did that guy fuck around that long???? Quote ~If you have to geek the camera on a wingsuit deployment, don't jump. I always knew you were a spoilsport: geeking the camera is the only reason for skydiving, isn't it? Quote ~if you can't manage a big suit with low wingsuit jump experience, don't jump. well since you are the expert on that kind of stuff, I won't comment Quote It just makes others look bad. huh????The universal aptitude for ineptitude makes any human accomplishment an incredible miracle dudeist skydiver # 666 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TKoontz 0 #7 August 18, 2011 @ :14 it looks like his steering line is routed through the wrong side/grommet of the slider...is it a removable slider and he somehow misrouted his line or something? I've never used or even seen a removable system being repacked so I'm not sure on the specifics of how they work Edit: Looks like his right steering line was wrapped around his left set of lines before going up to the slider? This is confusing lolFind your peace, though the world around you burns Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rstanley0312 1 #8 August 18, 2011 Quote@ :14 it looks like his steering line is routed through the wrong side/grommet of the slider...is it a removable slider and he somehow misrouted his line or something? I've never used or even seen a removable system being repacked so I'm not sure on the specifics of how they work Edit: Looks like his right steering line was wrapped around his left set of lines before going up to the slider? This is confusing lol not at you TKoon just a general comment/question..... did he pitch his handles? I am pretty sure that is what I saw..... He saved his own life so nice work but after that reserve opened I would be pissed at myself if I just threw away my handles.Life is all about ass....either you're kicking it, kissing it, working it off, or trying to get a piece of it. Muff Brother #4382 Dudeist Skydiver #000 www.fundraiseadventure.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CRASH1 0 #9 August 18, 2011 They found the main I assume? BTW: Great video...The music and editing look and sounds awesome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DSE 5 #10 August 18, 2011 yes,we found the main, freebag. Handles are both gone. Probably in either the dense dry marsh or in the backyard of someone's home along the marsh. Seeing him not clear the cutaway, and then fumble for the reserve handle might give folks good reason to practice EP's for muscle memory. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DSE 5 #11 August 18, 2011 Quote QuoteIt just makes others look bad. huh???? A fair number of low-time, dumb-ass wingsuiters are making the rest of the wingsuit population suffer through their stupid actions/choices. Both BASE and skydive locations face a real risk of being closed due to people not understanding skydive basics before moving forward. Read the threads on basejumper.com; there is a very real threat of some exits being closed because people aren't doing their due diligence and causing problems. There are already a couple DZ's that no longer allow wingsuiting. Anyway....this was packed with around 1M of excess, which wouldn't be a problem had the excess been stowed in s-loops near the bottom of the reserve tray. When the Dbag was rotated, I believe it scooped up a line in the tabs on the stowless bag, or on the locking stow. Too much excess placed near the bottom of the main tray, I believe. This allowed the bag to deploy through the line. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JackC1 0 #12 August 18, 2011 This isn't just a line over though is it? There is also an inversion by the looks of things. I'm not sure how that could happen on deployment, even if the bag was rotated in the container snagging up a line or two. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theonlyski 8 #13 August 18, 2011 QuoteGonna let the cause breathe til more people see it. Lines were properly walked, canopy stowed entirely correctly, it's a stowless Dbag and lines were all properly figure-8'ted into the flap. Hint; the packer left approx 36" of unstowed line in the tray. What was his logic for leaving 3' of line unstowed? Looks like he got the bridle under a line or two, if all else was done right."I may be a dirty pirate hooker...but I'm not about to go stand on the corner." iluvtofly DPH -7, TDS 578, Muff 5153, SCR 14890 I'm an asshole, and I approve this message Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DSE 5 #14 August 18, 2011 Given the amount of excess and the stowless Dbag, plus seeing how the packer thought he needed to manage the open corners of the rig, it's pretty easy to see how the Dbag caught up a line, and/or could tumble in the burble of a big wingsuit. On a stowless system, you don't need any excess outside of the Dbag. Certainly not 3' plus. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theonlyski 8 #15 August 18, 2011 QuoteIt's pretty easy to see how the Dbag caught up a line, and/or could tumble in the burble of a big wingsuit. Not sure I'm with you on this one, if the PC is creating drag enough to pull the pin and extract the bag from the container, I don't see how it could then lose it's drag and fly thru some of the lines being played out."I may be a dirty pirate hooker...but I'm not about to go stand on the corner." iluvtofly DPH -7, TDS 578, Muff 5153, SCR 14890 I'm an asshole, and I approve this message Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JackC1 0 #16 August 18, 2011 I guess it could be possible. I was thinking that flipping the bag through the lines to get a full inversion would mean the bridle and pilot chute had to go through there as well. That seemed unlikely but I'll admit I know nothing about stowless bags or wingsuit deployments. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theonlyski 8 #17 August 18, 2011 QuoteToo much excess placed near the bottom of the main tray, I believe. This allowed the bag to deploy through the line. Unless he routed the bridle under the lines, it wouldn't have been able to dance its way into this configuration. I could freestow all of my lines and rotate the bag (which, I don't do anyways because it ends up making the container look bad usually) and so long as the bridle is clear, it will not be able to flip into this configuration."I may be a dirty pirate hooker...but I'm not about to go stand on the corner." iluvtofly DPH -7, TDS 578, Muff 5153, SCR 14890 I'm an asshole, and I approve this message Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DSE 5 #18 August 18, 2011 Quote Quote Too much excess placed near the bottom of the main tray, I believe. This allowed the bag to deploy through the line. Unless he routed the bridle under the lines, it wouldn't have been able to dance its way into this configuration. I could freestow all of my lines and rotate the bag (which, I don't do anyways because it ends up making the container look bad usually) and so long as the bridle is clear, it will not be able to flip into this configuration. This is what appears to have happened. He claims he put the bridle on top of the Dbag after he rotated it, before he pulled up the loop. But..., when he demonstrated his packjob, the Dbag was rolled up twisted and backwards, bridle routed underneath. That's the only thing that makes sense to me, too. The combination of stowless D bag and open corners had this guy vexed, and he didn't ask anyone for help. And...how many guys have 400+ jumps and only 3-5 packjobs under their belts? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theonlyski 8 #19 August 18, 2011 Quote And...how many guys have 400+ jumps and only 3-5 packjobs under their belts? How many of those were cutaways? Also, there's plenty of TI's out there who cannot remember how to pack the rigs they're rated for... "I may be a dirty pirate hooker...but I'm not about to go stand on the corner." iluvtofly DPH -7, TDS 578, Muff 5153, SCR 14890 I'm an asshole, and I approve this message Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rstanley0312 1 #20 August 18, 2011 Quoteyes,we found the main, freebag. Handles are both gone. Probably in either the dense dry marsh or in the backyard of someone's home along the marsh. Seeing him not clear the cutaway, and then fumble for the reserve handle might give folks good reason to practice EP's for muscle memory. Sorry about the loss of handles DSE but at least the guy is alive and you have the main and freebag. This guy needs to practice his EP's and not mess around that long with a problem that could not be fixed. Had that main been spinning this could have ended a lot worse but then again he may not have messed with it then and just chopped. Hopefully.....Life is all about ass....either you're kicking it, kissing it, working it off, or trying to get a piece of it. Muff Brother #4382 Dudeist Skydiver #000 www.fundraiseadventure.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
grimmie 186 #21 August 18, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Too much excess placed near the bottom of the main tray, I believe. This allowed the bag to deploy through the line. Unless he routed the bridle under the lines, it wouldn't have been able to dance its way into this configuration. I could freestow all of my lines and rotate the bag (which, I don't do anyways because it ends up making the container look bad usually) and so long as the bridle is clear, it will not be able to flip into this configuration. This is what appears to have happened. He claims he put the bridle on top of the Dbag after he rotated it, before he pulled up the loop. But..., when he demonstrated his packjob, the Dbag was rolled up twisted and backwards, bridle routed underneath. That's the only thing that makes sense to me, too. The combination of stowless D bag and open corners had this guy vexed, and he didn't ask anyone for help. And...how many guys have 400+ jumps and only 3-5 packjobs under their belts? way too many. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theonlyski 8 #22 August 18, 2011 You'd figure in 400 jumps, he would learn to FLARE a canopy on landing (now that the video is posted on FB and I can view it)ETA, DSE: Tell those guys commenting on the video on FB that it's not the brake line either, it's one of the front riser lines. "I may be a dirty pirate hooker...but I'm not about to go stand on the corner." iluvtofly DPH -7, TDS 578, Muff 5153, SCR 14890 I'm an asshole, and I approve this message Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Morrison79 0 #23 August 18, 2011 Another case of someone having too small of a reserve and not being able to land it. If he had landed on pavement it would probably in the incidents thread.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
virgin-burner 1 #24 August 18, 2011 Quote http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2j4hNgBL8wY ~If you can't pack, don't jump. ~if you can't identify the difference between a lineover, line twist, and a step-through, don't jump. ~If you have to geek the camera on a wingsuit deployment, don't jump. ~if you can't manage a big suit with low wingsuit jump experience, don't jump. It just makes others look bad. This is an "experienced skydiver" renting one of my school rigs. not his rig, so why keep the handles in the first place!? so, at 400 jumps he cant pack? and apparently, he cant land for shit, too!? i keep on saying there's a problem with proper training and/or edumucation, after watching this video, i have no more questions.. “Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #25 August 18, 2011 Quotenot his rig, so why keep the handles in the first place!? Quite right! I hold onto them because it is a matter of pride to have them after a mal, and I don't want them to interfere with the reserve deployment - let them go and that is just what they might do. Perhaps the guy wanted to check out how hard a no flare landing would be.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
