nathaniel 0 #1 October 22, 2007 Here's an idea for a wingsuit competition: 4 way competition, base + 3 wingmen -- could be any number but let's start with 4-way for sake of argument. Mount the base with 3 distance sensors: left thigh, right thigh, tail wing and mount corresponding units on the hands and / or helmets of the wingmen. Score by any of 1- tightest formation held for at least 15 seconds 1a - tightest formation while performing a maneuver 2- least deviation / most rigid formation over 60 seconds 2b - least deviation while performing a maneuver 3- use the sensors to key points within a maximum range for no-contact formations Technically, could we do it? What would you use as a distance sensor? What technology would work reliably and precisely over distances of 10 to 0.1 meters despite temperature, pressure & shock / shaking concerns? Would it make good video? Is it worthwhile?My advice is to do what your parents did; get a job, sir. The bums will always lose. Do you hear me, Lebowski? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mccordia 74 #2 October 22, 2007 I think the biggest issue with current wingsuit competitions is that they are all so dependent of GPSes, sensors and other technical gadgets. I think we need a format like that of 4 way in RW. Aside from video, there shouldnt be a complex digital device needed. Maybe just a simple rule like the distance between two person not being more then the width or length of one flyer (if 4 way is what you are aiming for) and having that formation flown for an x amount of time. A lot of the rules you propose take the creative and free flying out of the 4 way, and actually turn it into another data-mining operation. Keep it simple..and maybe just figures in the 2D plane. As the 3D figures ad another layer of complexity and demands on the formation, camera flyer AND judging that make it hard to impossible to judge and still be objective. www.wingsuitcompetition.com/jumps.htm Though we would have liked multiple points, selected at random per jump, we decided to focus on a few simple points in a 2 way format. Should this work, we're planing on setting up a bigger contest next year, with 4 way teams, and or multiple rounds with randoms etc for the 2 way teams as well. But for now..simple rules, and some simple figures and a 2 way format may be a better first focus? I think the key to making a creative sub-dicipline in wingsuit 'work' is finaly throwing all the gadgets out of the window, and focussing on pure flight/formations with lots of creative flying, and finding a clear way to judge that with just video...JC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tony-tonysuits 0 #3 October 22, 2007 fly the wedge into a diving turn back the other way. half way through the camera has to be looking at there bellies that would score a point in my book course you'd have to be in Fla to do a move like that Life is a series of wonderful opportunities, brilliantly disguised as impossible situations. tonysuits.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mccordia 74 #4 October 23, 2007 Quote fly the wedge into a diving turn back the other way. half way through the camera has to be looking at there bellies that would score a point in my book course you'd have to be in Fla to do a move like that So it is one of those typical 'written' Fla moves, or is there actually going to be some video or photo proof this timeMark Harris did the same thing carving around the topgun wedge formations about a year ago over castellon, and again past summer in Germany at the An72 boogie...Especialy you should know Europeans always do the cool things first Tony..how bout them applesAnd still waiting for the proud nation to finaly show it has balls and cough up some more names for the biggest aereal battle since WOII over Spa, Belgium next spring!Show us what you're made off! Show us those tonysuits fly better then the shizzle we got.. We'll be defending the European pride! Scallops and all! Hell..even the French have shown up for the battle! Whats keeping you guys soo long..normaly you guys are at the front when there's some fighting to doDont just talk the talk...walk the walk...!JC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tony-tonysuits 0 #5 October 23, 2007 gosh darm it, how can we not turn it on after that:-) your gonna see some cool shit now laddy, oh yes, why only today young Chusk Blue and myself were flying on our backs and spelling out the words, USA, all the way, we were gonna say Europe are a bunch of pussies but we didnt have time and my spelling aint so hot, but if...................Life is a series of wonderful opportunities, brilliantly disguised as impossible situations. tonysuits.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeemax 0 #6 October 23, 2007 ... and you're not an American... Phoenix Fly - High performance wingsuits for skydiving and BASE Performance Designs - Simply brilliant canopies Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tony-tonysuits 0 #7 October 23, 2007 am too, in fact Im more American than people born here cos I escaped European/English tyranny to go to the new land,Life is a series of wonderful opportunities, brilliantly disguised as impossible situations. tonysuits.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeemax 0 #8 October 23, 2007 Face it... you're a brit... Phoenix Fly - High performance wingsuits for skydiving and BASE Performance Designs - Simply brilliant canopies Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mccordia 74 #9 October 23, 2007 Quote am too, in fact Im more American than people born here cos I escaped European/English tyranny to go to the new land, To me it looks like you're just an English bloke taking cash away from 'the natives' by selling them beads, mirrors and wingsuitsNot much has changed since the 1800's eyJC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The111 1 #10 October 23, 2007 Quote taking cash away from 'the natives' by selling them beads, mirrors and wingsuits Hey, Tony's beads and mirrors glide at 8 to 1!www.WingsuitPhotos.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mccordia 74 #11 October 23, 2007 Quote Quote taking cash away from 'the natives' by selling them beads, mirrors and wingsuits Hey, Tony's beads and mirrors glide at 8 to 1! Promises, promises, promises.. Im still holding out for tye-dye!JC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sdctlc 0 #12 October 23, 2007 Quote Promises, promises, promises.. Im still holding out for tye-dye! I thought he promised that with the Dye Sub process and all it took was a Credit Card Scott C."He who Hesitates Shall Inherit the Earth!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tony-tonysuits 0 #13 October 23, 2007 Face it... you're a brit... --------------------------------- uh uh, I have an American passport and accent now, but I do still have an English passport, its so jolly,opps so gosh darn hard to jump thereLife is a series of wonderful opportunities, brilliantly disguised as impossible situations. tonysuits.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tony-tonysuits 0 #14 October 23, 2007 I thought he promised that with the Dye Sub process and all it took was a Credit Card --------------------------------- That's right, its all possible, all ya'll need is imagination and a Credit card and that was 7 to 1 not 8 Life is a series of wonderful opportunities, brilliantly disguised as impossible situations. tonysuits.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VectorBoy 0 #15 October 23, 2007 Quoteam too, in fact Im more American than people born here cos I escaped European/English tyranny to go to the new land, 'Ello pilgrim. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The111 1 #16 October 23, 2007 Quoteuh uh, I have an American passport and accent now, but I do still have an English passport, By "accent" you mean really strong English accent, right?www.WingsuitPhotos.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BlindBrick 0 #17 October 23, 2007 Quote To me it looks like you're just an English bloke taking cash away from 'the natives' by selling them beads, mirrors and wingsuitsNot much has changed since the 1800's ey Not really, the "Natives" who got the beads were not the tribe who's territory Manhattan island sat in. If we were using that example, then it would have been me giving Chuck Blue's credit card number to Tony and walking away with the suit! Damn, I miss the old ways... -Blind"If you end up in an alligator's jaws, naked, you probably did something to deserve it." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
