fmmobley 0 #1 November 5, 2007 I finally managed to get over two minutes (actually 128 seconds) in a wingsuit flight. Plus I covered a hell of a lot of ground. Chuck, thanks for letting me fly your old S6, what a fantastic wingsuit. I can't wait until I can get my own.... Marion Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mccordia 74 #2 November 5, 2007 Congratulations! The sad news is 3 minutes is probably your immediate next goal and 4 minutes after that.... JC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bill_K 0 #3 November 5, 2007 Hey Marion, What a great boogie eh? Congrats on the 2 minute flight(s) there. I would just be happy to get it out over 90 seconds at this point... It will come though, I'm confident of that!! Take care, Bill Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #4 November 6, 2007 Quote Congratulations! The sad news is 3 minutes is probably your immediate next goal and 4 minutes after that.... You depress me. I've only just made it to 2:40 from 13k ft.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ScottGray 0 #5 November 6, 2007 way to go dude !!!WSI-5 / PFI-51 / EGI-112 / S-Fly The Brothers Gray Wing Suit Academy Contact us for first flight and basic flocking courses at your DZ or boogie. www.thebrothersgray.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
unclecharlie95 3 #6 November 6, 2007 With time you will realize it is not about time.BASEstore.it Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fmmobley 0 #7 November 6, 2007 Quote With time you will realize it is not about time. I totally agree. It just is an indication to me that I am finally beginning to fly the wingsuit correctly.... Marion Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Airowpoint 0 #8 November 6, 2007 Quote With time you will realize it is not about time. Not quite. The slower you fall, the less pressure on your arms. Less pressure on your arms, less fatigue. Less fatigue, longer flight. And finally, the longer you fly, the further you fly. And isn't that what wingsuiting is all about?Also, while some would say more speed equals more lift, I would say more speed equals more drag. I don't believe in lift generating vortices, just surface area.Tristan Will you answer "NO" to my next question? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
unclecharlie95 3 #9 November 6, 2007 If a newbie focuses on time they will learn how to stall. Fly for distance and time comes naturally. SM1 best glide speed is near stall, this not the case for most other suits on the market. Quote I don't believe in lift generating vortices, just surface area. Attach some wool strands to the back of your suit Tristan and have someone film you. If you don't believe it, make TristanSuits BASEstore.it Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mccordia 74 #10 November 6, 2007 Since its not about time..I guess we wont be seeing you spoiling the number 1/2/3 slots anymore on time/fallrate contests james? JC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
unclecharlie95 3 #11 November 6, 2007 I can't say no to the free champagne, but I think you get my point BASEstore.it Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Airowpoint 0 #12 November 6, 2007 Quote Attach some wool strands to the back of your suit Tristan and have someone film you. Those strands will dance around like crazy because there are all kinds of weird vortices in my burble, non that make me fly further I think. Quote If you don't believe it, make TristanSuits I first have to get over my masculinity and male/female stereotypes before I can learn to sew.Tristan Will you answer "NO" to my next question? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
unclecharlie95 3 #13 November 6, 2007 QuoteThose strands will dance around like crazy because there are all kinds of weird vortices in my burble, non that make me fly further I think. hmm, so this lift of which you speak has nothing to do with the air flow over the top surface? Interesting...BASEstore.it Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Airowpoint 0 #14 November 6, 2007 Sure, in theory you should be able to create a nice wing profile that generates lift and maybe with some suits when flying it right this might happen to some extent. I just think that for now it's mostly just the wind pressing against the bottom of the wings. In the case of lift generated by the wing profile, this would be neglect able in comparison. Therefore, and you can quote me on this, "bigger is better".In fact, I have not mentioned lift since, assuming the above line of thought to be correct, one might conclude there is no lift generated... Tristan Will you answer "NO" to my next question? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
unclecharlie95 3 #15 November 6, 2007 right... glide ratio = lift / drag.... lift is zero... ok. This is a kind of Zen thing right?BASEstore.it Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Airowpoint 0 #16 November 6, 2007 I can make a paper airplane glide, I assume you can't since it has no wing profile with lift generating vortices?Tristan Will you answer "NO" to my next question? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mccordia 74 #17 November 6, 2007 Quote right... glide ratio = lift / drag.... lift is zero... ok. This is a kind of Zen thing right? I think its the Newtonian explanation Tristan is talking about http://www.funpaperairplanes.com/Learn%20About%20Flight.html If its full on 'lift theory' we're speaking, the single layer suit Tony has wouldnt fly at al? But according to people who have flown (with) it, it flies really well, just a tad heavier on the arms then the suits that have pressurized support in the wing. I tend to be somewhere in the middle. I do believe lift is part of why we 'fly', but seeing how quick the airflow separates the topsurface of the wing, I think it doesn't attribute to the degree a lot of people are claiming...JC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chrisgray 0 #18 November 6, 2007 Keep in mind that a lifting body can achieve lift from all surfaces even without proper wing profiles. A planes fuselage produces minimal amounts of lift while climbing. You can turn a brick into a lifting body with enough airspeed.WSI-6 / PFI-55 The Brothers Gray Wingsuit Academy http://www.myspace.com/cgwingsuitpilot http://www.myspace.com/thebrothersgray Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mccordia 74 #19 November 6, 2007 QuoteKeep in mind that a lifting body can achieve lift from all surfaces even without proper wing profiles. A planes fuselage produces minimal amounts of lift while climbing. You can turn a brick into a lifting body with enough airspeed. Which is not lift based on the Bernoulli principle, but lift from 'deflection' based on the Newtonian explanation..JC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Airowpoint 0 #20 November 6, 2007 I have to clarify that I defined lift as the Bernoulli's principle not the Newtonian. But you could call that lift as well I guess.Tristan Will you answer "NO" to my next question? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
unclecharlie95 3 #21 November 6, 2007 Look up Rogala hang gliders, you don't need a profile to generate lift. The resulting air flow around the object is what creates the "profile". Wingsuits generate conventional and vortex lift. According to Tristans theory all we have to do is maximize our surface area presented to the air flow - this would be achieved by going straight down (?) BASEstore.it Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aerodynamite 0 #22 November 6, 2007 Also, while some would say more speed equals more lift, I would say more speed equals more drag. I don't believe in lift generating vortices, just surface area. Mikoyan Gurevich didn´t believe in surface area. He thought that speed generates lift I assume... Check the picture. http://www.airforce.ru/aircraft/mikoyan/mig-21/mig-21smt/index.htm (I don´t know how to make this clicky...)- No mercy in the flock! Straighten your legs!!! - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,490 #23 November 6, 2007 QuoteWhich is not lift based on the Bernoulli principle, but lift from 'deflection' based on the Newtonian explanation.. Neither explanation on its own explains how lift is generated by any wing, in the real world they are very much combined.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chrisgray 0 #24 November 6, 2007 CLICKY http://www.airforce.ru/aircraft/mikoyan/mig-21/mig-21smt/index.htmWSI-6 / PFI-55 The Brothers Gray Wingsuit Academy http://www.myspace.com/cgwingsuitpilot http://www.myspace.com/thebrothersgray Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aerodynamite 0 #25 November 6, 2007 Thanks Chris! - No mercy in the flock! Straighten your legs!!! - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
