KrisFlyZ 0 #26 November 6, 2007 Other things being equal, Bigger is better. Kris. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KrisFlyZ 0 #27 November 6, 2007 Quote Also, while some would say more speed equals more lift, I would say more speed equals more drag. I don't believe in lift generating vortices, just surface area. Mikoyan Gurevich didn´t believe in surface area. He thought that speed generates lift I assume... Check the picture. http://www.airforce.ru/aircraft/mikoyan/mig-21/mig-21smt/index.htm (I don´t know how to make this clicky...) And how does that relate to gliding(unpowered) flight? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #28 November 6, 2007 QuoteQuoteKeep in mind that a lifting body can achieve lift from all surfaces even without proper wing profiles. A planes fuselage produces minimal amounts of lift while climbing. You can turn a brick into a lifting body with enough airspeed. Which is not lift based on the Bernoulli principle, but lift from 'deflection' based on the Newtonian explanation.. Is there a difference? If you deflect air (Newton) you MUST have a pressure difference. If you have a pressure difference (Bernoulli), you MUST deflect air. You can't have one without the other.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #29 November 6, 2007 QuoteI have to clarify that I defined lift as the Bernoulli's principle not the Newtonian. But you could call that lift as well I guess. The aerodynamicist's definition of "lift" simply relies on the direction of the force generated with respect to the free-stream direction. No assumption is made about how it happens. Could well be Lift Demons for all that it matters.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mccordia 74 #30 November 6, 2007 Can I just stick to the explanation that says fairy-dust makes us fly?JC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #31 November 6, 2007 QuoteCan I just stick to the explanation that says fairy-dust makes us fly? Tinkerbelle? Is that you?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aerodynamite 0 #32 November 6, 2007 And how does that relate to gliding(unpowered) flight? Bigger wing is not only thing that makes you fly. You need speed. ( Or some other drugs)- No mercy in the flock! Straighten your legs!!! - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chrisgray 0 #33 November 7, 2007 Another example of a lifting body. You can make almost anything produce lift with enough airspeed or thrust. Flying Lawnmower CLICKY>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zT60SkXN1UY ENJOYWSI-6 / PFI-55 The Brothers Gray Wingsuit Academy http://www.myspace.com/cgwingsuitpilot http://www.myspace.com/thebrothersgray Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VectorBoy 0 #34 November 7, 2007 Quote With time you will realize it is not about time. Yes its now all about flying inside one side of the Porter and right out the other side while the pilot gives you the thumbs up! Pretty much everything else has been done. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
monkycndo 0 #35 November 7, 2007 Fellow flockers, looks like the thread drift has run its course. Let's return to our regularly scheduled program of Marion busting one out to get over a two minute flight. M, it was a pleasure to share the air with you this last weekend and see you reach your goal.50 donations so far. Give it a try. You know you want to spank it Jump an Infinity Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
helxen 0 #36 November 13, 2007 Quote With time you will realize it is not about time. second, third, whatever that! (though 157 seconds from 13k being under canopy at 3.3k is fun, but tiring) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #37 November 14, 2007 QuoteAnother example of a lifting body. You can make almost anything produce lift with enough airspeed or thrust. Flying Lawnmower CLICKY>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zT60SkXN1UY ENJOY Actually on close inspection these "lawnmowers" are seen to be quite sophisticated aerodynamically and they don't need a huge amount of power to fly well. They only look like lawnmowers from a distance. Their power-off glide ratio is rather better than the best wingsuit and they CAN be landed without a parachute.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chrisgray 0 #38 November 15, 2007 Thanks for the insight. I hope that you enjoyed the video. WSI-6 / PFI-55 The Brothers Gray Wingsuit Academy http://www.myspace.com/cgwingsuitpilot http://www.myspace.com/thebrothersgray Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ScottGray 0 #39 November 15, 2007 I like the Russian flying tank. It was actually built, flown in a test, landed really hard, and project discontinued. With enough or a correctly designed surface, and power ---- the point anything can fly holds.WSI-5 / PFI-51 / EGI-112 / S-Fly The Brothers Gray Wing Suit Academy Contact us for first flight and basic flocking courses at your DZ or boogie. www.thebrothersgray.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #40 November 15, 2007 Quote Thanks for the insight. I hope that you enjoyed the video. Umm - I've actually flown one myself, no video needed.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #41 July 19, 2008 Yesterday I managed my first two minute flight. Going from one town to another over the course of two minutes felt like ... flying. PS: Thanks Kathy at Morpheus Technologies, Robert at Phoenix-Fly, and everybody else that has helped me. I wish you could have seen my smile. "That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LouDiamond 1 #42 July 19, 2008 Quote Yesterday I managed my first two minute flight Welcome to the 2 minute club."It's just skydiving..additional drama is not required" Some people dream about flying, I live my dream SKYMONKEY PUBLISHING Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deniq 0 #43 July 20, 2008 Congratulations! But time alone is only parameter for your vertical movement, without any practical value. You can use this parameter just for "time"-competitions like "Wings over Marl". A practice say "well balance between vertical and forward movement". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhoenixRising 0 #44 July 20, 2008 Quote With time you will realize it is not about time. You couldn't have said it better!!Wingsuit organizing, first flight courses and coaching Flock University Tonysuits Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tony-tonysuits 0 #45 July 20, 2008 Quote Quote With time you will realize it is not about time. You couldn't have said it better!! Wellll, he could have put a commer after the first "time" Life is a series of wonderful opportunities, brilliantly disguised as impossible situations. tonysuits.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
monkycndo 0 #46 July 20, 2008 Quote Quote Quote With time you will realize it is not about time. You couldn't have said it better!! Wellll, he could have put a commer after the first "time" Too fucking funny. Tony is talking about correcting someone's punctuation.50 donations so far. Give it a try. You know you want to spank it Jump an Infinity Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
QuietStorm 0 #47 July 21, 2008 QuoteKeep in mind that a lifting body can achieve lift from all surfaces even without proper wing profiles. A planes fuselage produces minimal amounts of lift while climbing. You can turn a brick into a lifting body with enough airspeed. I have TWO points: 1. I once had an absolutely psychotic ex-girlfriend who did manage give a brick enough forward speed that it did sustain lift and flew quite well; an act that superceded other talents. 2. Nice flight FMMobley. This is why my freefly suit and RW suit sit in the closet collecting dust and I now have TWO rigs permanantly attached to my Blade and Super Mach 1.....isn't this shit great?! Flock On! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cripdaddy 0 #48 July 21, 2008 i just did my first 2+ min flight this weekend with my new SM1 but then i had to go and beat that by doing a 3+ min jump in the same weekend. I love my new SM1 thanks for makeing my wings so big tony.Crip Alapiloto Rodriguez Rodriguez Brother #1666 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deniq 0 #49 July 21, 2008 If you look basics of aerodynamics, you can see - every body have lift (Cy) and drag (Cx). The flow velocity (air in our case) and angle between the flow and the body are two important matters for us! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mccordia 74 #50 July 21, 2008 Deniq..you sure you aint Yuri? Fly..its much more interesting than the math JC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
