lurch 0 #1 May 12, 2008 Well, its official. A new suit has seen the light of day and I'm starting to think I might actually complete the damn thing. Finally took it from concept stage to reality. I'm not going for another super-xl-ultra-megamach step here... This is something completely new designed from the ground up with about 30 new ideas that haven't been used in a wingsuit yet. I call it the Hardcase. Its the first industrial grade wingsuit and it bears about the same resemblance to existing designs as a jeep does a ferrari. Theres enough of it in existence to put it on and paddle around the dz in it, I figure its still at least a few weeks away from airworthy though. Parts list includes Late 60's hard leather biker jacket. Nichrome and steel wire. Lexan. A leather welding apron. ZP fabric. Carbon fiber. Heavy cordura. Stainless steel. Spectra. And a bunch of scraps from last season's wingsuit modification experiments. So far reactions from those who've seen the early prototype have ranged from "holy shit" and "Damn thats cool" to "You're fucking insane" "Is that for real" and "you're gonna die." I can't believe how much I'm looking forward to flying this thing. The Hardcase: Because you can't build a wingsuit out of diamond plate. -BLive and learn... or die, and teach by example. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bodypilot1 0 #2 May 12, 2008 No bailing wire? WTF........ www.WestCoastWingsuits.com www.PrecisionSkydiving.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
monkycndo 0 #3 May 12, 2008 Quote No bailing wire? WTF........ That's only for when he is making a laser or fixing a transmission.50 donations so far. Give it a try. You know you want to spank it Jump an Infinity Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VectorBoy 0 #4 May 12, 2008 Does it look like Ed's avitar? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jeff.Donohue 0 #5 May 12, 2008 I hate to ruin Lurch's great unveiling, but I managed to get a still shot of the new suit in flight when he wasn't looking. (Pic attached.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
saffron 0 #6 May 12, 2008 ....as one of the privileged few to witness Lurch's latest concoction, I feel obliged to note additional materials needed to complete (and/or jazz up) The Hardcase... Duct Tape (obviously) lime green polyester-gabardine rubber cement old tires from a ' 76 Plymouth Valiant a baseball mitt wood putty 2-4 toaster cozies Voila!"He who jumps into the void owes no explanation to those who stand and watch."~Jean Luc Godard Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lurch 0 #7 May 12, 2008 ooo, Rough crowd. Jeff, just remember next flock we put up, I've got a burble and I know how to use it. Now, the toaster cozies, on the other hand, might make an excellent BASE PC pouch... -BLive and learn... or die, and teach by example. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yuri_base 1 #8 May 12, 2008 For best performance, don't forget about the shoes!Android+Wear/iOS/Windows apps: L/D Vario, Smart Altimeter, Rockdrop Pro, Wingsuit FAP iOS only: L/D Magic Windows only: WS Studio Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhoenixRising 0 #9 May 12, 2008 Quote Does it look like Ed's avitar? It looks to me like Ed's avatar is flying.......So NOWingsuit organizing, first flight courses and coaching Flock University Tonysuits Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #10 May 12, 2008 Quote The Hardcase: Because you can't build a wingsuit out of diamond plate. http://www.southwestbowl.com/DC/41706.htm http://berninabillings.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/1232---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lurch 0 #11 May 13, 2008 Awesome link Yuri, I think my old black Cats boots would go good with this, or possibly a light hiking shoe, want to stay away from the "sporty" themed shoes, they'd clash horribly with the industrial machine look. Might just order a some of that shirts or fabric Diablo just pointed me to... maybe I CAN build some of it out of diamond plate, sorta... -BLive and learn... or die, and teach by example. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
saffron 0 #12 May 13, 2008 proper footwear always....."He who jumps into the void owes no explanation to those who stand and watch."~Jean Luc Godard Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tony-tonysuits 0 #13 May 13, 2008 Quote proper footwear always..... those boots will be perfect, they'll slow him down to our speedLife is a series of wonderful opportunities, brilliantly disguised as impossible situations. tonysuits.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bodypilot1 0 #14 May 13, 2008 Quote proper footwear always..... Better buy some Trojans as well.....www.WestCoastWingsuits.com www.PrecisionSkydiving.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lurch 0 #15 May 17, 2008 Still workin it. Suits about 75, 80% done not counting a bunch of small fit and trim details that're bound to come up as it goes. Still needs one last tail panel to divide it into cells, one connector panel at the waist and a bit more than half of both armwings. Got arm and tail releases done today which rocked because it felt a lot more complete... I can put it on and do zip and unzip routines and its all there. Eventually ditched a couple of the more exotic release ideas and went with the old zippers and snaps in the usual places layout, most of the cooler bits are in the suit and wing structures anyway. Damn thing still looks like the result of a harley getting it on with a sub-70's crossbraced elliptical. Even if it turns out to fly like shit, it'll still look awesome hanging on my wall. -BLive and learn... or die, and teach by example. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bodypilot1 0 #16 May 17, 2008 Quote Even if it turns out to fly like shit, it'll still look awesome hanging on my wall. Hopefully not with you still in it!......Good luck www.WestCoastWingsuits.com www.PrecisionSkydiving.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peggs82 0 #17 May 19, 2008 Lurch, are they going to have to add another page to "Birdmen, Batmen, and Skyflyers: Wingsuits and the Pioneers Who Flew in Them, Fell in Them, and Perfected Them" under the Did Not Work category? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lurch 0 #18 May 19, 2008 You gotta be kidding me. After the insane exoskeletal shit I was flying last season this looks downright timid. The more successful armwing extension mods I was willing to fly in public weren't the half of it. Last year about midsummer I had an 18 inch lexan and ZP megatail to go with em making for a wingsuit over 7 feet long with the combo assembly. It wasn't exactly what I'd call all that flyable really but technically speaking it DID work since I survived flying it and nothing broke. It delivered the insane speeds expected but at the cost of stability and an incredibly bumpy ride whenever it wasn't being flown at absolute max... which with a wing that massive I could only do for a few seconds at a whack. This time I'm dialing it down a bit and going for something closer to a homemade S-6 with a few tweaks, I figure as bad as I could butcher the handling of this suit couldn't be any worse than riding that lexan monster down from 14 so all I have to do is make it snagproof and failure resistant, an issue I'm addressing with a certain industrial overkill approach involving building it 5x tougher than it needs to be, everywhere, just for the fuck of it, the description of which immediately earned me the run-on sentence of the year award, twice. -BLive and learn... or die, and teach by example. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jon26 0 #19 May 26, 2008 Good luck. Don't forget the cameraman. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lurch 0 #20 May 26, 2008 Thanks... I've been working on it at a high intensity to get it done before the ADD kicks in and I lose interest or get distracted by something shiny. So far its been 4-7 hours a day for 3 weeks straight, toughest project I've ever taken on by a long shot. Theres parts of this thing that I thought would take a couple hours that took days. Hanging the tail topskin and creating the cells and tapering wing trailing edge in 3D was much, much harder than expected. Persistence has paid off though because the bottom half and tail are done, complete and ready to fly, and the upper half isn't all that far behind now, all thats left is the armwings and some structural detailing, nailing down loose ends and such. If the armwings prove as tough as the tail was I figure I'm 2 weeks away from first flight, 3 if I give it extra time for unexpected difficulties and some serious inspection and bug hunting. Even after I declare the whole thing done I'm probably going to wait another week or two for on-ground troubleshooting and going over it 50 times looking for hidden boobytraps and potential cascade failure points. Finishing that tail after 3 weeks of relentless effort was one of the most intensely satisfying moments of my life though, sat there drinking beer and doing the happydance for quite awhile. If thats what I get just for finishing half of it I can't wait till the whole thing is done, be bouncing off the walls about it for days when I get there. Pics coming soon, its just about to be worth taking pictures of at this point. I've got the grippers cut and shaped, and all but one dimension of the wings laid out, currently building the arm/body attachments, soon as the zipper anchors are in place I can begin hanging the panels. -BLive and learn... or die, and teach by example. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mirjam 0 #21 May 26, 2008 Wow... you're really serious about this thing. Cool. Can't wait to see pictures and hear details of the build. You are taking pictures along the way to document the process? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Costyn 1 #22 May 26, 2008 Quote Wow... you're really serious about this thing. Cool. Can't wait to see pictures and hear details of the build. You are taking pictures along the way to document the process? Sorry, that was me posting that. I was logged in under my girlfriends account by mistake. Costyn van Dongen - http://www.flylikebrick.com/ - World Wide Wingsuit News Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VectorBoy 0 #23 May 26, 2008 Its OK as long as she likes wingsuits too. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sdctlc 0 #24 May 26, 2008 Quote Its OK as long as she likes wingsuits too. I don't know about you VB but I am thinking her picture is much nicer to look at then his..."He who Hesitates Shall Inherit the Earth!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lurch 0 #25 May 27, 2008 Actually I haven't, I kind of felt like I should have been, but up till recently the thing looked awful, scraps and absent panels and tangles of spectra as structural placeholders till I could build the more elegant fastener mounts, zipper attachments and that sort of thing. I figured I'd start some photosets after I have at least something like an armwing hung and it actually looks like a wingsuit. Neat thing is, I'll cut all 4 skins, top and bottom both sides at once, so once I get going and have the layout and pieces cut, assembly'll be fast, go from wingless to fully winged in one go. I'm thinking a few more days till theres something like a final wingshape, few more decisions to make about the attachments first, which probably means 2 weeks in reality. I've learned to expect every bit of this to be far trickier than I thought when I get to it. The flipside is I keep getting neat geometry coincidences, things I hadn't planned out yet where simple solutions to complex lineup problems suggest themselves just from the way the stuff lines up when I assemble the parts I HAVE planned. A lot of that tail I had no idea how I was going to do it till I actually tried to by pinning chunks of fabric together. The entire bottom half of the tail topskin and 3 of 5 tail cells were made at once, out of a single square piece of fabric with no cuts, hemmed on all 4 sides. When I tried figuring out how to build legcells I mucked about for days thinking about making little tubes and tacking em together, horrible brute force approach to making that shape would have been tough as hell and worked poorly, everything I tried to make sucked donkey balls. Finally occurred to me a single square, japanese fanfolded just the right way creates a 3 cell wedge shaped wing with a perfect taper, all it needs is a frontskin. I'd already built that. After that it was just like assembling a cellphone, only with a lot more thread. If I can find a solution that elegant for the armwings this thing is going to be badass. -BLive and learn... or die, and teach by example. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites