kallend 2,027 #1 April 25, 2009 Just got my M1 back from having the armwing mod done. There's a new zipper inside the armwing. What is its purpose?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
alx72 0 #2 April 25, 2009 In short: Zipper closed = Airlock on Zipper open = Airlock off Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhoenixRising 0 #3 April 25, 2009 What he said, The new sleeve design has made the arm wing a very rigid airlock. If you want maximum performance keep them closed. Opening the zippers allows for an easier pull, also making it easier to do barrel rolls and transitions. Also the arm zippers allow for the important cargo items, like beer.Justin Wingsuit organizing, first flight courses and coaching Flock University Tonysuits Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hagen 0 #4 April 25, 2009 Quote Also the arm zippers allow for the important cargo items, like beer.Justin and they say there are no innovations Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #5 April 26, 2009 Quote Also the arm zippers allow for the important cargo items, like beer.Justin Right - I should have known Tony would think of that.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 800 #6 April 26, 2009 Lot's of glow sticks on the night jumps too! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tony-tonysuits 0 #7 April 27, 2009 Quote Quote Also the arm zippers allow for the important cargo items, like beer.Justin Right - I should have known Tony would think of that. oh I didn't think of it, me being practically tee total. I think Jeff N was the first, well we were jumping onto a beach with no beer sales so its a matter of necessity being the mother of invention ah? but actually as I think the arm zips are better done up, then my reasoning for em is for access inside the arm for repairLife is a series of wonderful opportunities, brilliantly disguised as impossible situations. tonysuits.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkymonkeyONE 4 #8 April 27, 2009 Quote What he said, The new sleeve design has made the arm wing a very rigid airlock. If you want maximum performance keep them closed. Opening the zippers allows for an easier pull, also making it easier to do barrel rolls and transitions. Also the arm zippers allow for the important cargo items, like beer.Justin That was a perfect explanation actually! FWIW, the newest Tony's all have "crotch" zippers as well which control the inflation of the legwing. I generally fly with that one nearly fully unzipped for backflying. I generally fly with my inside arm zips fully closed. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skwrl 56 #9 April 27, 2009 Quote"crotch" zippers as well which control the inflation of the legwing Why didn't someone tell me!?!? I'd been using it as a bladder buddy for those long rides to altitude. (At least I'll no longer have that ballast shifting around during flight!)Skwrl Productions - Wingsuit Photography Northeast Bird School - Chief Logistics Guy and Video Dork Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tony-tonysuits 0 #10 April 27, 2009 Quote Quote "crotch" zippers as well which control the inflation of the legwing Why didn't someone tell me!?!? I'd been using it as a bladder buddy for those long rides to altitude. (At least I'll no longer have that ballast shifting around during flight!) it also allows a jet of air to cool any hot spots one might have.......Life is a series of wonderful opportunities, brilliantly disguised as impossible situations. tonysuits.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #11 April 27, 2009 Quote Quote What he said, The new sleeve design has made the arm wing a very rigid airlock. If you want maximum performance keep them closed. Opening the zippers allows for an easier pull, also making it easier to do barrel rolls and transitions. Also the arm zippers allow for the important cargo items, like beer.Justin That was a perfect explanation actually! FWIW, the newest Tony's all have "crotch" zippers as well which control the inflation of the legwing. Chuck All my pants since about 1955 have had zipper flies - and now its a new feature? (Yes, I'm older than Tony)... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pierre3636 0 #12 April 28, 2009 i wouldnt recommend unzipping the leg wings - mega flappage esp on XS. ~ time is ~ time was ~ times past ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tony-tonysuits 0 #13 April 28, 2009 Quotei wouldnt recommend unzipping the leg wings - mega flappage esp on XS. yeahh, just an inch on the bigger wingsLife is a series of wonderful opportunities, brilliantly disguised as impossible situations. tonysuits.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #14 May 3, 2009 Is it a more efficient wing? I wouldn't have thought so just to look at it, but I got my best ever time today from 13.5k - 4.5k, on the first jump in the modified suit, without even trying.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dzjnky 0 #15 May 4, 2009 Check the leading edge inlets - you may find less drag there - I think that is one area where Tony has really improved performance. On my suit, before modifications, there were 3 inlets on each armwing. He stitched several of them closed, I guess you don't need so much inflation on the wing. Reducing the size of the scoops grabbing air seems like it reduced drag, thus improving performance. The arm wing still inflates like a mattress, even with fewer inlets. And I also keep my internal armwing zips closed, unless accessing the beverage storage compartments. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaleH 0 #16 May 5, 2009 I have found myself keeping the arm wings zipped 100% of the time. However, it seems I get more performance on solo max distance flights with the leg wing unzipped. The only time I keep the leg wing zipped is when flying dirty/flocking. Anyone notice this? I only have 75 wingsuit jumps 50 of which are on my SM1. I may need some more jumps before I can dial in the ability to utilize the more rigid locked leg wing.-Dale Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeemax 0 #17 May 5, 2009 Quote flying dirty/flocking Should these two really appear together... Phoenix Fly - High performance wingsuits for skydiving and BASE Performance Designs - Simply brilliant canopies Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pierre3636 0 #18 May 5, 2009 i wouldnt waste my time opening and closing the locks, unless its a hot day and im stashing some drinks inthere. i think more solid wing is better - you can adjust your body if you are doing acro and its not like its IMPOSSIBLE to close the wings when you barrel roll or whatever. flocking i would highly recommend having the zippers closed - you want as little as possible movement from ur wing once you have settled into position in a group. also you want all the drive you can get out the wing on break off. come to think of it - i dont think i will ever fly without the locks in place - someone else might have a diff opinion but i cannot really see how you can justify flying with the zips open. like i said its easy enough to get enough air out to pull or trasition. i think skymonkey said he likes unzipping for backflying - you can do that but you will offcourse struggle to learn to fly it once you decide you want more performance backflying and close the zips. he is quite a light person so he would have less trouble than someone weighing in at lets say 80-90 kgs. ~ time is ~ time was ~ times past ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsane 0 #19 May 5, 2009 I open the arm zippers half-way for backflying. When the zippers are fully closed, the arms snap open really hard during the transistions. Opening the leg wing zipper helps too, since in most Tony Suits, the leg wing is too large to allow to fully open during backflying. The zippers are more about allowing air to escape when you want to collapse the wings. In normal flight, there is so much air coming into the wings that the little that's escaping thru the zippers is nearly irrelevant. Scott Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pierre3636 0 #20 May 6, 2009 what do you mean your arms snap open really hard? ~ time is ~ time was ~ times past ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
