Sangi 0 #26 June 30, 2009 Would be a lot more interesting to see it in BASE environment "Dream as you'll live forever, live as you'll die today." James Dean Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zoter 0 #27 June 30, 2009 QuoteWould be a lot more interesting to see it in BASE environment Why would it..? The 'brochure' suggests the Verso is a suit designed to be relatively easy to rig/fly and backfly in Apart from the rigging....what aspects of the above can you not see in the linked skydive video that you would see in a 'BASE' video. There is even a plethora of other suits flying relative with it which you can help use to judge its performance. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 140 #28 June 30, 2009 Quote Quote Would be a lot more interesting to see it in BASE environment Why would it..? so he can go talk about it on Basejumper.com scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mccordia 74 #29 June 30, 2009 Quote Would be a lot more interesting to see it in BASE environment Even there is says little... Are we looking at a good pilot flying, or a good suit. Loic did some stuff in an Acces wingsuit, that most couldnt do in the biggest/most bad-ass suit on the market. Its eye-pleasing watching suits flown in BASE, but unless its top-level pilots flying each suit, its hard to compare the actual performance levels.JC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sangi 0 #30 June 30, 2009 Quote Apart from the rigging....what aspects of the above can you not see in the linked skydive video that you would see in a 'BASE' video. There is even a plethora of other suits flying relative with it which you can help use to judge its performance. Because flocking is not proximity flying. The best place to truely see what a WS can do is in BASE environment doing proximity flying.. And if you notice, the guy flying a V3 was holding it back, during brake off the V3 kicked in and went forward quite fast leaving the rest behind.. And yes mccordia, you're right, only with the best pilots you can truely see the WS's performance.. I'm sure Loic will fly the Verso in BASE sooner or later.."Dream as you'll live forever, live as you'll die today." James Dean Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 140 #31 June 30, 2009 QuoteI'm sure Loic will fly the Verso in BASE sooner or later..I'm pretty sure he won'tscissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aarthus 0 #32 June 30, 2009 Loic maybe not.... but Julian was in Norway for base with the "Verso" a week ago so you should try to find out on the other... forum. Patrick de Guillebon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mccordia 74 #33 June 30, 2009 Quote [ Because flocking is not proximity flying. The best place to truely see what a WS can do is in BASE environment doing proximity flying.. Not really..as proximity flying is about following the curves of the landscape. Its about accuracy more than it is about glide-ratios. Distance in base is probably a better performance measurement than proximity. That last one is 100% pilotskillJC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sangi 0 #34 June 30, 2009 I'm not an expert (heck not even a WS flyer) so you know better It just seems that in flocking people are trying to constantly adjust to the whole flock leading to some people really holding back on their WS and some having to push really hard to keep up, thus they're not maxing out their WS true potential (be it speed or glide distance), while in BASE they seem to push every last bit out of their performance (again I'm only speculating based on my observations...). "Dream as you'll live forever, live as you'll die today." James Dean Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mccordia 74 #35 June 30, 2009 Proximity flying is performance flocking with a solid objectSometimes you fly 50%, sometimes 100% to fly a certain line. If you're talking about distance/performance, usually flights away from an object (trying to achieve maximum distance) such as this one are usually a better meassure JC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sangi 0 #36 June 30, 2009 Yeah I've seen this vid, love the "woo-hoo's" "Dream as you'll live forever, live as you'll die today." James Dean Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zoter 0 #37 June 30, 2009 QuoteBecause flocking is not proximity flying. really ? I never knew there was a difference whats proximity flying anyway....is it flying close to your friends? QuoteThe best place to truely see what a WS can do is in BASE environment doing proximity flying.. I would have thought proximity flying is a very specific skill and open to lots of variables. Wouldn't flying in a straight line for as far as possible from a set start point to a set end point ...with no immediate hazards around, be a better & repeatable indicator of how well a suit can perform next to another ( all pilot skill variables considered) ?? I guess you know best on that. QuoteAnd if you notice, the guy flying a V3 was holding it back, during brake off the V3 kicked in and went forward quite fast leaving the rest behind.. wow...thanks for letting me know that, I was wondering why his legs were bent. I thought he had stomach cramps holding in a fart, couldnt hold it any longer and let rip ....giving him the sudden speed . Its good to know there are such experienced skydive/BASE wingsuit pilots ( like yourself) around on the net to jump in and help all us beginners with these tricky things....I mean most of the guys who are really good , only seem to answer on stuff they have loads of experience with.....how lame is that ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sangi 0 #38 June 30, 2009 wow, I'm sorry Zoter, I never knew internet was the new real life, that your life totally depends on what you say here and that you can't make any mistakes or speculate or discuss anything if you're not 100% expert on that subject... "Dream as you'll live forever, live as you'll die today." James Dean Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mccordia 74 #39 June 30, 2009 On most subjects, speculation and advice online is perfectly okay. In skydiving and base, everyone is an expert, and listening to the wrong person can be a life-threatening event if its advice on the wrong subject..JC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zoter 0 #40 June 30, 2009 Quote that your life totally depends on what you say here and that you can't make any mistakes or speculate or discuss anything if you're not 100% expert on that subject.. You seem to spend most of your time justifying your internet ramblings with your complete lack of experience in what you are rambling about. Maybe that time would be better spent actually 'getting' some experience....'talk' less, 'do' more Its an idea ....try it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sangi 0 #41 June 30, 2009 Quote On most subjects, speculation and advice online is perfectly okay. In skydiving and base, everyone is an expert, and listening to the wrong person can be a life-threatening event if its advice on the wrong subject.. Well it's too bad if they can't realize who they should actually listen to and what correct information they should pick up, if they can't filter and do deeper research and take everything that is said directly, then maybe it's time to quit? Again it's the internet, it's free to discuss and speculate anything you wish, real life is a different story. Quote Maybe that time would be better spent actually 'getting' some experience....'talk' less, 'do' more Its an idea ....try it. Every chance I get, I do that "Dream as you'll live forever, live as you'll die today." James Dean Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #42 June 30, 2009 QuoteAgain it's the internet, it's free to discuss and speculate anything you wish, real life is a different story. You're right. However, if you actually read some of the posts, articles, etc... you might be able to understand what is wrong with your speculation. Almost everything you've stated regarding proximity flying is wrong according to the posts, articles, etc... of experienced proximity flyers."That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sangi 0 #43 June 30, 2009 That's why experienced people who know about this intervene and tell how it really is.. I'm always happy when people correct me and when I learn how things truely are..."Dream as you'll live forever, live as you'll die today." James Dean Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zoter 0 #44 June 30, 2009 Quote Every chance I get, I do that 33 jumps per year for 3 years? And you are posting about wingsuit flying and BASE jumping? You should spend a little less time on the internet and a bit more time at the DZ . (but maybe that says it all....) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sangi 0 #45 June 30, 2009 Not everyone's got a steady full time job with good steady income, which enables them to jump every weekend of the working skydiving season... I'm discussing things based on what I've heard, read and saw... "Dream as you'll live forever, live as you'll die today." James Dean Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zoter 0 #46 June 30, 2009 QuoteBecause flocking is not proximity flying. The best place to truely see what a WS can do is in BASE environment doing proximity flying.. Is that a discussion or a statement ? What experience do you have with any aspect of the above in order to qualify you making a statement about it ? Have you even personally seen any wingsuit flying/flocking/proximity flying.....or is your only experience of it watching youtube videos? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mccordia 74 #47 June 30, 2009 Quote Not everyone's got a steady full time job with good steady income, Noop..and those are usually the people that make the most jumps, as they spend every minute they have packing and whoring themselves out for everything that enables them to buy a jump-ticketJC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zoter 0 #48 June 30, 2009 QuoteNoop..and those are usually the people that make the most jumps, as they spend every minute they have packing and whoring themselves out for everything that enables them to buy a jump-ticket but difficult to do if you spend ( what appears to be alot of free time) on the internetz... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sangi 0 #49 June 30, 2009 Quote Is that a discussion or a statement ? What experience do you have with any aspect of the above in order to qualify you making a statement about it ? Have you even personally seen any wingsuit flying/flocking/proximity flying.....or is your only experience of it watching youtube videos? A bit of both. You don't get the same WS trajectory and performance flight view in 13k feet as when you do flying beside a mountain (but again, I'm just saying based on video observations)... The only person who could actually say the truth would be the one that does both skydiving flocking and WS BASE... Quote Noop..and those are usually the people that make the most jumps, as they spend every minute they have packing and whoring themselves out for everything that enables them to buy a jump-ticket Well, not when it takes me to pack my main like 30 minutes. And I wouldn't like to take the blame if somene had to cutaway because of my packjob, so I'll just pass it out... "Dream as you'll live forever, live as you'll die today." James Dean Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mccordia 74 #50 June 30, 2009 Quote Well, not when it takes me to pack my main like 30 minutes. At your experience level, thats normal. 100 more packjobs will take that down to 10 minutes. another 100 packjobs takes it down to 5. Then 2 or 3 shitty openings and a cutaway take you back to 10 minutes againIts a normal progression. Just jump a lot. 10 minutes behind the trainstation, and a disgusting taste in your mouth also gets you cash..There's always a way.JC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
