greybeard 0 #1 July 6, 2009 I vote that minimum freefall jumps be 1,000 before any respectable wingsuiter instructs a fellow skydiver on his initial wingsuit flight. Tunnel time should NOT apply. Reasons are obvious to me. 200 to 500 seams crazy low time for understanding the nuances involved. Might also consider requiring 100 crw jumps prior. Proficient freefly and particularly tracking skills also weigh big time. How's that for 'hard line'. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VectorBoy 0 #2 July 7, 2009 I transitioned over from being an atmonaught. How is the suit holding up? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
greybeard 0 #3 July 7, 2009 Further comment: !,000 jump minimum requirement ends alot of the pissing duels about low numbers and quality athletes, and buddies, and all such bullroar. The margine for discrepency gets blurred to a comfortable and acceptable level. Remembering also that jump numbers and time in the sport are warped today, compared to old standards. How much credit or responsibility is aimed at a mentor/instructor/advocate/salesman when, the object student is a 'Jay Stokes', or 'Brian Burke', or 'Dan B.C.' Extreme examples, sure. Why expose yourself to any ridiculously obvious dangerous examples. Set the BSR bar high and insulate yourself from high risk. Insulate the USPA population from high risk. Granted, do what you want when I'm not looking. But when I'm looking, you do extra dilligence. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fasted3 0 #4 July 7, 2009 QuoteFurther comment: !,000 jump inimum /reply] For the first WS flight? I vote no. 200/500 is fine by me. Don't forget that some have done fine with less. My suggestion is to make 200 a rule and stick with it. Forget the rest. Keep it simple.But what do I know? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites hjumper33 0 #5 July 7, 2009 Hey as long as those rules dont apply before someone can do their first wingsuit base jump it sounds good to me! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DSE 5 #6 July 7, 2009 I thought the only rule for BASE is "Don't die." If you do die, clean up your mess so you don't burn the site. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mccordia 74 #7 July 7, 2009 Quote Hey as long as those rules dont apply before someone can do their first wingsuit base jump it sounds good to me! Neeh..in base its quite a thing of the past to actually have some experience before you try and do the cool stuff the other kids are doingProxiflying a wingsuit on your first basejump ever should be the norm..everyone else is just a pussieJC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites donkeyboy 0 #8 July 9, 2009 The only problem is , numbers mean nothing. Skillset should be evaluated individually. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites riggerrob 643 #9 July 13, 2009 QuoteI thought the only rule for BASE is "Don't die." If you do die, clean up your mess so you don't burn the site. .......................................................... Learn the secret coyote whistle, because they will GLADLY clean up your mistakes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkymonkeyONE 4 #10 July 13, 2009 QuoteThe only problem is , numbers mean nothing. Skillset should be evaluated individually. You are dead wrong, brother. No amount of YouTube viewing and lieing in your logbook is going to prepare you for that first real-bad spinner opening (which you would likely have encountered in the "normal" minimum of 500 actual skydives. If you think "experience" is all you need to do well in a wingsuit, you probably ought to have a discussion with AFF course director Bram Clement or "master of big-way" Carl Daugherty on how "great" a time they had on some of their introductory jumps. Both guys had over 10,000 jumps when they found out the real answer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites donkeyboy 0 #11 July 16, 2009 QuoteNo amount of YouTube viewing and lieing in your logbook is going to prepare you for that first real-bad spinner opening. I'm not following you here - how are you suppose to acquire skills from these activities ? QuoteIf you think "experience" is all you need to do well in a wingsuit, you probably ought to have a discussion with AFF course director Bram Clement or "master of big-way" Carl Daugherty on how "great" a time they had on some of their introductory jumps. Both guys had over 10,000 jumps when they found out the real answer. My point exactly. numbers do not equal skills. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mccordia 74 #12 July 16, 2009 QuoteMy point exactly. numbers do not equal skills. Noop, but percentage-wise, the chance at at least SOME skills is more present as the experience aquired during those jumper numbers grows.JC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites diablopilot 2 #13 July 16, 2009 QuoteMy point exactly. numbers do not equal skills. Yes, however the odds of people getting FUBAR drops significantly when the bar is raised where jump number and/or time in sport are concerned. That's one reason we use it as criteria for being an instructor.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites peggs82 0 #14 July 17, 2009 QuoteThe only problem is , numbers mean nothing. Skillset should be evaluated individually. Is there some way to lock out people from posting in the wingsuit forum who have: >200 jumps or >18 months in the sport or >300 posts or -no name or location disclosed or -argue for sub 200 jump requirements I mean really.... all of the above criteria lead me to believe you are: -a troll or -a lawyer fishing for legal material or -a hot shot who thinks that all that came before him are idiots, and that rules do not apply to you Get out and jump or at least grow a pair and fess up to who you are before picking arguments with the most experienced wingsuiters in the sport. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites strop45 0 #15 July 17, 2009 Quote Is there some way to lock out people from posting in the wingsuit forum who have: >200 jumps or >18 months in the sport or >300 posts or -no name or location disclosed or -argue for sub 200 jump requirements did you mean <200 and <18 months? Or would you prefer only the inexperienced post here?The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits." -- Albert Einstein Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites virgin-burner 1 #16 July 17, 2009 Quote Quote Is there some way to lock out people from posting in the wingsuit forum who have: >200 jumps or >18 months in the sport or >300 posts or -no name or location disclosed or -argue for sub 200 jump requirements did you mean i think people should be locked out who dont get the difference between > and <.. alt=":|" data-emoticon="true" height="20" src="/uploads/emoticons/mellow.png" srcset="/uploads/emoticons/mellow@2x.png 2x" title=":|" width="20">“Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mccordia 74 #17 July 17, 2009 I think we should take the wingsuit forum offline for a month, and see if the universe will cease to exist JC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites virgin-burner 1 #18 July 17, 2009 Quote I think we should take the wingsuit forum offline for a month, and see if the universe will cease to exist but then i cant post that 12+ minutes jump i did from 4k! “Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites donkeyboy 0 #19 July 18, 2009 Please allow me to clarify. The original post stated a jump number "hard line " of 1000. (I'm not advocating sub 200 or 500 jump numbers here either, which for some reason everyone seems to have automatically assumed ) I 'm just saying the skillset should be evaluated individually . Yeah, let's go for a RW, freefly and a track jump and see just how heads up you are. I just think numbers don't always tell the whole story. Of course the percentages go up with numbers, but don't we owe it to ourselves to be that much better ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. 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hjumper33 0 #5 July 7, 2009 Hey as long as those rules dont apply before someone can do their first wingsuit base jump it sounds good to me! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DSE 5 #6 July 7, 2009 I thought the only rule for BASE is "Don't die." If you do die, clean up your mess so you don't burn the site. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mccordia 74 #7 July 7, 2009 Quote Hey as long as those rules dont apply before someone can do their first wingsuit base jump it sounds good to me! Neeh..in base its quite a thing of the past to actually have some experience before you try and do the cool stuff the other kids are doingProxiflying a wingsuit on your first basejump ever should be the norm..everyone else is just a pussieJC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
donkeyboy 0 #8 July 9, 2009 The only problem is , numbers mean nothing. Skillset should be evaluated individually. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 643 #9 July 13, 2009 QuoteI thought the only rule for BASE is "Don't die." If you do die, clean up your mess so you don't burn the site. .......................................................... Learn the secret coyote whistle, because they will GLADLY clean up your mistakes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkymonkeyONE 4 #10 July 13, 2009 QuoteThe only problem is , numbers mean nothing. Skillset should be evaluated individually. You are dead wrong, brother. No amount of YouTube viewing and lieing in your logbook is going to prepare you for that first real-bad spinner opening (which you would likely have encountered in the "normal" minimum of 500 actual skydives. If you think "experience" is all you need to do well in a wingsuit, you probably ought to have a discussion with AFF course director Bram Clement or "master of big-way" Carl Daugherty on how "great" a time they had on some of their introductory jumps. Both guys had over 10,000 jumps when they found out the real answer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
donkeyboy 0 #11 July 16, 2009 QuoteNo amount of YouTube viewing and lieing in your logbook is going to prepare you for that first real-bad spinner opening. I'm not following you here - how are you suppose to acquire skills from these activities ? QuoteIf you think "experience" is all you need to do well in a wingsuit, you probably ought to have a discussion with AFF course director Bram Clement or "master of big-way" Carl Daugherty on how "great" a time they had on some of their introductory jumps. Both guys had over 10,000 jumps when they found out the real answer. My point exactly. numbers do not equal skills. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mccordia 74 #12 July 16, 2009 QuoteMy point exactly. numbers do not equal skills. Noop, but percentage-wise, the chance at at least SOME skills is more present as the experience aquired during those jumper numbers grows.JC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #13 July 16, 2009 QuoteMy point exactly. numbers do not equal skills. Yes, however the odds of people getting FUBAR drops significantly when the bar is raised where jump number and/or time in sport are concerned. That's one reason we use it as criteria for being an instructor.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peggs82 0 #14 July 17, 2009 QuoteThe only problem is , numbers mean nothing. Skillset should be evaluated individually. Is there some way to lock out people from posting in the wingsuit forum who have: >200 jumps or >18 months in the sport or >300 posts or -no name or location disclosed or -argue for sub 200 jump requirements I mean really.... all of the above criteria lead me to believe you are: -a troll or -a lawyer fishing for legal material or -a hot shot who thinks that all that came before him are idiots, and that rules do not apply to you Get out and jump or at least grow a pair and fess up to who you are before picking arguments with the most experienced wingsuiters in the sport. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
strop45 0 #15 July 17, 2009 Quote Is there some way to lock out people from posting in the wingsuit forum who have: >200 jumps or >18 months in the sport or >300 posts or -no name or location disclosed or -argue for sub 200 jump requirements did you mean <200 and <18 months? Or would you prefer only the inexperienced post here?The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits." -- Albert Einstein Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
virgin-burner 1 #16 July 17, 2009 Quote Quote Is there some way to lock out people from posting in the wingsuit forum who have: >200 jumps or >18 months in the sport or >300 posts or -no name or location disclosed or -argue for sub 200 jump requirements did you mean i think people should be locked out who dont get the difference between > and <.. alt=":|" data-emoticon="true" height="20" src="/uploads/emoticons/mellow.png" srcset="/uploads/emoticons/mellow@2x.png 2x" title=":|" width="20">“Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mccordia 74 #17 July 17, 2009 I think we should take the wingsuit forum offline for a month, and see if the universe will cease to exist JC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
virgin-burner 1 #18 July 17, 2009 Quote I think we should take the wingsuit forum offline for a month, and see if the universe will cease to exist but then i cant post that 12+ minutes jump i did from 4k! “Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
donkeyboy 0 #19 July 18, 2009 Please allow me to clarify. The original post stated a jump number "hard line " of 1000. (I'm not advocating sub 200 or 500 jump numbers here either, which for some reason everyone seems to have automatically assumed ) I 'm just saying the skillset should be evaluated individually . Yeah, let's go for a RW, freefly and a track jump and see just how heads up you are. I just think numbers don't always tell the whole story. Of course the percentages go up with numbers, but don't we owe it to ourselves to be that much better ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
