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tommyh 0
Maria, I love your enthusiam and your pioneering spirit, but your idea of how muscles work is so wrong it hurts. I know that it's not terribly relevant to the conversation, but I didn't want anybody to read that and then to think that muscles contract because they get "pumped with fluid."
Giselle,
I really hesitate to pop a dreamer's bubble. If it were not for dreamers none of us would be flying wingsuits at all. That is a fact. The ability to imagine something that is not currently possible, and then make it into reality is the essence of the human spirit, IMO.
I was a little disappointed to see your posts meet with such strong opposition and people saying, "that will NEVER work."
I've seen enough amazing shit in my life to know better than to use the word NEVER in association with the types of personalities prevalent in the skydiving/BASE communities.
Having said that...
My only advice to you is to arm yourself with a little experience before continuing to debate here.
There is an extremely valuable perspective that inexperienced people bring to a situation. They are not confined within the limits of what is currently thought possible, so their minds are free to come up with ideas that would be immediately dismissed by people with more experience in that area.
But, now that you've hatched your idea, you need to find out for yourself if it's a realistic one.
Go learn to fly wingsuits.
I trained for years to go to war. I learned to shoot, blow things up, employ various tactics. I knew exactly how fighting would go...at least I thought I did. I was ready and nobody could convince me otherwise. I even thought I could concoct some fancy new moves if I needed to.
One day I found myself on the battlefield where people were shooting actual bullets at me. I shot at them too. It was confusing, scary, I couldn't see shit, sometimes had no idea were the enemy was... in short, real war was abso-fucking-lutely nothing like I thought it would be. (And this was after a ton of uber-realistic live-fire training.)
Things are a lot different on the two-way shooting range.
I walked away from that first firefight armed with a completely different perspective.
What does that have to do with your original post?
Go fly some wingsuits and then you'll have a better idea of what we're capable of up there.
I really hesitate to pop a dreamer's bubble. If it were not for dreamers none of us would be flying wingsuits at all. That is a fact. The ability to imagine something that is not currently possible, and then make it into reality is the essence of the human spirit, IMO.
I was a little disappointed to see your posts meet with such strong opposition and people saying, "that will NEVER work."
I've seen enough amazing shit in my life to know better than to use the word NEVER in association with the types of personalities prevalent in the skydiving/BASE communities.
Having said that...
My only advice to you is to arm yourself with a little experience before continuing to debate here.
There is an extremely valuable perspective that inexperienced people bring to a situation. They are not confined within the limits of what is currently thought possible, so their minds are free to come up with ideas that would be immediately dismissed by people with more experience in that area.
But, now that you've hatched your idea, you need to find out for yourself if it's a realistic one.
Go learn to fly wingsuits.
I trained for years to go to war. I learned to shoot, blow things up, employ various tactics. I knew exactly how fighting would go...at least I thought I did. I was ready and nobody could convince me otherwise. I even thought I could concoct some fancy new moves if I needed to.
One day I found myself on the battlefield where people were shooting actual bullets at me. I shot at them too. It was confusing, scary, I couldn't see shit, sometimes had no idea were the enemy was... in short, real war was abso-fucking-lutely nothing like I thought it would be. (And this was after a ton of uber-realistic live-fire training.)
Things are a lot different on the two-way shooting range.
I walked away from that first firefight armed with a completely different perspective.
What does that have to do with your original post?
Go fly some wingsuits and then you'll have a better idea of what we're capable of up there.
lurch 0
Yo.
Second what Dexter just said.
I know its gotta be disappointing having a bunch of negativity come back at you.
Giselle, for what its worth, I wasn't trying to come down on you, just trying to get the idea across that it is the people actually doing it who know what can be done...
...and, by the way, look again at the words I used. Pay attention. Not once did I use the word NEVER.
I've been flying for a long time now and I can tell you that given the pace of development, we will not be flying your ideas in a dozen years. Technology develops fast, but nowhere near THAT fast. With a lot of development in nanomaterials and several revolutionary leaps forward in energy storage and manipulation technology such a thing may someday BECOME possible, but right now, it isn't.
The materials we have to work with now are amazing enough as it is...spectra and kevlar line good to hundreds of pounds per strand, and much more... but to fly up with anything like a human scale wingspan would require energy storage and discharge capabilities in the hundreds of kilowatts per kilogram, and material strengths equivalent to a fishing rod rigid enough to take thousands of pounds of strain without bending.
Such technology may someday be developed, but it certainly will not be developed and deployed in a highly evolved practical application such as flight in a mere 12 years.
Keep in mind... I understand your dreams. Most of us here do. But talking down to us in a condescending manner when you have not yet even begun to learn to skydive, let alone fly a wingsuit, let alone have the expertise necessary to try to contribute to their development... well, lets just say you come across as more than a little ahead of yourself.
Come fly. When you fly a suit yourself, you will have a much better idea what you're up against.
-B
Second what Dexter just said.
I know its gotta be disappointing having a bunch of negativity come back at you.
Giselle, for what its worth, I wasn't trying to come down on you, just trying to get the idea across that it is the people actually doing it who know what can be done...
...and, by the way, look again at the words I used. Pay attention. Not once did I use the word NEVER.
I've been flying for a long time now and I can tell you that given the pace of development, we will not be flying your ideas in a dozen years. Technology develops fast, but nowhere near THAT fast. With a lot of development in nanomaterials and several revolutionary leaps forward in energy storage and manipulation technology such a thing may someday BECOME possible, but right now, it isn't.
The materials we have to work with now are amazing enough as it is...spectra and kevlar line good to hundreds of pounds per strand, and much more... but to fly up with anything like a human scale wingspan would require energy storage and discharge capabilities in the hundreds of kilowatts per kilogram, and material strengths equivalent to a fishing rod rigid enough to take thousands of pounds of strain without bending.
Such technology may someday be developed, but it certainly will not be developed and deployed in a highly evolved practical application such as flight in a mere 12 years.
Keep in mind... I understand your dreams. Most of us here do. But talking down to us in a condescending manner when you have not yet even begun to learn to skydive, let alone fly a wingsuit, let alone have the expertise necessary to try to contribute to their development... well, lets just say you come across as more than a little ahead of yourself.
Come fly. When you fly a suit yourself, you will have a much better idea what you're up against.
-B
Live and learn... or die, and teach by example.
fasted3 0
What about a sleeve for the arm that had a rod that would extend out 1 foot, and have extra wing material roll out from the gripper. To deploy, withdraw the rod, and the extra material rolls back up.
Extensions would be set on the plane; the release mechanism would need to be flawless, of course. Arm pressure would be increased, but the hands would be freed up from gripping, and the strength issue may not be too much to deal with, depending on the length of the rod.
The sleeve could strap on, between elbow and wrist. Mobility would not be compromised. Extending the wingspan, even a small amount, is a way to improve glide.
Sorry if this idea appears half baked, it is. 
But what do I know?
QuoteI've been flying for a long time now and I can tell you that given the pace of development, we will not be flying your ideas in a dozen years. Technology develops fast, but nowhere near THAT fast. With a lot of development in nanomaterials and several revolutionary leaps forward in energy storage and manipulation technology such a thing may someday BECOME possible, but right now, it isn't.
The materials we have to work with now are amazing enough as it is...spectra and kevlar line good to hundreds of pounds per strand, and much more... but to fly up with anything like a human scale wingspan would require energy storage and discharge capabilities in the hundreds of kilowatts per kilogram, and material strengths equivalent to a fishing rod rigid enough to take thousands of pounds of strain without bending.
Such technology may someday be developed, but it certainly will not be developed and deployed in a highly evolved practical application such as flight in a mere 12 years.
Lurch Thats one of the reason i feel tiring to replay your coments too much nonsense and sometimes it makes me look arrogant but i will do my best to answer you one more time wihout be.
Are u sure u are having fun with wingsuit? because u keep mentioning powered flight! wingsuit pilots love and fly wingsuits because they want to feel the air hiting on their faces freedom natural way to fly, cheap no polution etc.. if they want a noisy engine in their head they would go fly small aircraft!
Also have u ever study or hear about thermals and lift? its one of the most power full forces int he world i can climb up on the thermal on my paraglider a 15m/s up faster than many small aircratfts!
Second thing! YES U SAID, with arrogance not much respect at me that winsuit will NOT FLY UP IN A THOUSAND OF YEARS.
why did u change your mind so quick from THOUSAND OF YEARS to DOZEN OF YEARS?
Also u dont need tell exact things to me that ive said before, the origin idea that the wingsuit would look like the picture i post on this forum in a dozen of years was made by me and critize by you remember?
Honestly for me you seems have no concrete ideas, the way u show it, its messy, confusing and sometimes arrogant!
Have fun
Lauren Martins - www.youtube.com/user/gisellemartins20
QuoteWhat about a sleeve for the arm that had a rod that would extend out 1 foot, and have extra wing material roll out from the gripper. To deploy, withdraw the rod, and the extra material rolls back up.
Extensions would be set on the plane; the release mechanism would need to be flawless, of course. Arm pressure would be increased, but the hands would be freed up from gripping, and the strength issue may not be too much to deal with, depending on the length of the rod.
The sleeve could strap on, between elbow and wrist. Mobility would not be compromised. Extending the wingspan, even a small amount, is a way to improve glide.
Sorry if this idea appears half baked, it is.
Hi Fasted your idea is really good, this way u showed is the same thing i explained but in my view it would be on the back of the pilot allowing him to close his wing inside the plane and open it when he come out!
But also your suggestion with same thing for the middle of the wing is also very considerable, it would add more weight and articulation but also it would add more mobility in flight...
send me some draw prototypes to my email...
Sorry for my poor english
have a good day
Lauren Martins - www.youtube.com/user/gisellemartins20
Updated picture with the pilot with the wings closed using the articulate joints on his back, usefull to walk or when inside the plane.
Any suggestion for our futuristic dream wingsuit?
have all a good day
Any suggestion for our futuristic dream wingsuit?
have all a good day
Lauren Martins - www.youtube.com/user/gisellemartins20
ops! now the photo is attached with the message!
cheers
cheers
Lauren Martins - www.youtube.com/user/gisellemartins20
The111 1
QuoteAlso have u ever study or hear about thermals and lift? its one of the most power full forces int he world i can climb up on the thermal on my paraglider a 15m/s up faster than many small aircratfts!
What is the surface area of your paraglider?
What is the surface area of your crazy long winged suit idea?
www.WingsuitPhotos.com
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What is the surface area of your paraglider?
What is the surface area of your crazy long winged suit idea?
Hi The111 we already talked about it in few topics above but i will show u again no problem
A paraglider of 10m2 is able to soar on a lift and get thermals with a pilot around 80kg with no problem as u can see on this video (wind hiting the montail at 18knots)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7mqTpBwtsE
In my crazy wingsuit of 4m span as u said, would be around 38% smaller than this small paraglider but still able do the same things in a bit stronger wind and a bit stronger thermal. once the wingspan grows, will be necessary less wind and weak thermals to do the same job.
Futuristic scenario: when the pilot exit of a plane of montain he keeps gliding his winsuit in stable air falling suppose at 5 m/s and he hits a big thermal ball going up a 7m/s so the result is ( 7 - 5 = 2m/s ) so the wingsuit pilot gonna start to flying up at 2meters/sec, (6-7m/s thermals are kind normal around the globe but in same places it can reach 15m/s so u make your own calculations in what hate u gonna climb up) once the pilot start making circles inside the big thermal like eagles, PG, HG etc he will climb up till the cloudbase (cloudbase sometimes can be very hight around 4000meters) once he gets in the cloude base where the thermal condensate and stop climbing he also will stop and have to glide to find another thermal...
Cheers
Lauren Martins - www.youtube.com/user/gisellemartins20
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