Slider Stow options

[Mattbs4e 0]

I've read the posts on the Slider keeper, specifically HooknSwoop's cutaway test on one, but I'm still unclear on how they work. I just figured you collapsed your slider and pulled it below the knob on the back of the rig there, but there is obviously more to it. Where do you find one of these keepers? As well, what are people's opinions on the slider stoppers on the risers instead of the keeper? Do you need front and rear, or just front riser stoppers? Where do you find these and how low on the risers do you place them? These seem more convenient than a ball on the back of your rig, but I've never seen the stoppers in use? Any info on either method would be appreciated. Thank you.

[Hooknswoop 19]

I've seen 3 different types of slider keepers.

1) Loop of Type 4 around the reserve flap, secured with Velcro, with Type 4 with velcro on it perpindicular to that for securing the slider. (My preference)

2) One of those bungee with a ball on it used to secure tarps to frames looped under the reserve Flap.

3) A tab of either Type 4 or Dacron sewn to a riser, about 2-3 inches from the confluence wrap.

Derek

[meatbomb 0]

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1) Loop of Type 4 around the reserve flap, secured with Velcro, with Type 4 with velcro on it perpindicular to that for securing the slider. (My preference)

Any chance of a pic or diagram of this? I just can't visualise it...

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[Hooknswoop 19]

Here ya go.
Derek

[jedeisurf 0]

Do you think this would work the type 8 doubled over would hold the rear of the slider down I think any inputs.
Thanks David

[Hooknswoop 19]

That looks like it would work well.

Derek

[jedeisurf 0]

Hi Hook,
what about this which one do you think would be better.
Thanks, David

[Mattbs4e 0]

Couldn't a large stow also work if you wrapped it around the reserve flap and had a perpendicular velcro loop coming off of that

[Hooknswoop 19]

I liked the first one better, but out of 1" Type 4.

Derek

[Hooknswoop 19]

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a large stow

A large stow as in a large rubber band? I prefer the loop of type 4 with the Velcro making the loop for 2 reasons. 1) It won't bend the reserve flap and, 2) It offers another point of release in the event of a cutaway after stowing the slider, i.e. hung brake.

Derek

[jedeisurf 0]

Hi Hook,
I have some 1.5 inch webbing that I bought at the army surplus I think that I will try it seems to work good on a test on the ground will let you know how it works in the near future if we ever get any jumpable weather.
Thanks, David

[jsaxton 0]

Contact Hookitt he has the trickest holder I've seen

[Hooknswoop 19]

I was thinking a snap might be better than Velcro.

Thoughts?

Derek

[skygod7777 0]

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I was thinking a snap might be better than Velcro.

what about that snap in freefall?? wouldn't it be floppin around.

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[Hooknswoop 19]

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what about that snap in freefall?? wouldn't it be floppin around.

Ya, but the type IV it is attached to would have to be very long, shorter than the Velcro version.

What if I added another snap to the keeper. You would un-snap the keeper then snap it to the slider?

Derek

[skygod7777 0]

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Ya, but the type IV it is attached to would have to be very long, shorter than the Velcro version.

What if I added another snap to the keeper. You would un-snap the keeper then snap it to the slider?

that seams like a good idea.

with some of the velcro ones my buddy vern built he put a little piece of elastic like what is on your chest straps and sewed it to the back piece of the horizontal strap going around the reserve container. so he can fold the extra type IV into that, then under canopy he reaches back and pulls it out.

i personally like the type 17 on the risers. this is what i use. i only put it on the front riser, about, i don't know 2 inches up maybe 3. this works well for me. and it's much quicker than having to fool with wrapping a strap around my slider and all that (which isn't really that big of deal, just takes time)


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[Mattbs4e 0]

What about just placing the snap permanently through the top of the reserve flap and having the type IV sewn to the back of the slider with a snap on itself so it packed up nicely.

That way when you opened, you would just unsnap the type IV from itself on the slider and re-snap it to the snap on the reserve flap.

Then you wouldn't have anything flapping around in freefall, and wouldn't have to worry about velcro or the type IV slipping off or around your reserve flap.

Anything I'm not considering with this idea?

[RTB 0]

I think it opens up the debate of if it will come lose easily enough in a cut-away situation.
Not all snaps are equal but some of them take considerable force to open if pulled sideways. This is probably what is going to happen if you do need it to open, it will be pulled sideways and therefore might not release.
I haven't tried it, it might work.

[meatbomb 0]

OK...so you've got this design pretty much down...so how's about a design for a pop-top??? Don't much fancy putting that strap of velcro round my RPC...on the other hand...why not...we'd get ourselves an instant SkyHook...

Hehehehe...

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[PhreeZone 20]

Sew it to the collar of your Jumpsuit.

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[riggerrob 643]

I have sewn two different patterns of slider catchers to my front risers.
The first pattern was essentially a tuck tab - facing down - a couple of inches above the crotch of the risers. I made them out of 1 inch wide Type 3 tape and nylontron plastic stiffener.
My second pattern requires 1.5 inch wide Type 4 tape folded into a triangle and sewn on the riser.
Last weekend, a visiting jumper - from South Africa - showed me a set his rigger had sewn from 1 inch wide Type 4 tape and cutaway cable. Though he said they were difficult to use on cold days.

[jedeisurf 0]

Well I was able to jump this weekend the slider holders worked out fine I used 1" type 17. If I were to do it again I would put them on the front risers.
David

[jmfreefly 0]

I used to jump a webbing/velcro combo similar to the one you are drawing on my Javelin, but I switched to static riser 'blocks' for a few reasons.

1) I now don't own a Javelin, I own two Wings. The wings have a taper in their reserve cover, so it just didnt work with the setup I had

2) I was concerned about cutaways, and this getting hung up. Yes, low probability

3) The riser blocks are much faster, IMHO. They are maybe a little more restrictive in terms of sight (than my old velcro reserve tab), but pretty much everything is when you pull it down past the toggles.

4) I jump all kinds of suits, so a suit-based stow wouldn't work for me.

5) As for your snap design, I don't think I would be able to easily (and more importantly, quickly) stow that snap. Pushing down on the snap, on my back?? Don't think I am flexible enough to do that efficiently. I had hard enough time getting the velcro to mate well.

6) I also tried the L or reverse V style tabs, but I found them to be a bit bulky. They didnt want to sit well under my primary riser covers, and would peak out. Not that big an issue, but I didn't like seeing them

7) Brian Germain had a nice quick solution, similar to riser blocks, sew a 'crossbar' of heavy dacron across the riser. I like the webbing blocks a bit better.

A word of note, if you have riser inserts, and you choose to install 4 riser blocks, you will have a little bit of tricky sewing around the inserts.

j