mccordia 74 #51 January 24, 2011 Quote in terms of market share describes the situation quite accurately. You should get out moreJC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,057 #52 January 24, 2011 Quote and don't forget Julian Boulle and the Sugar Glider before that If it wasn't for PF we would all still be jumping the S3. If it wasn't for Tony we would all still be jumping the V3. Competition drives things forward and enables us all to fly better So why are we still flying flocks with fall rates that a newbie in a Classic II could achieve? I can track with a fall rate of 80mph in a tight fitting RW suit. Flocking at 65 - 70mph fall rate seems a waste of wingsuit potential.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mccordia 74 #53 January 24, 2011 I love thread stray...Flocking at 65 to 70 mph can be a joy as well, if its at balistic forward speeds. But yea...with feet on da butt style flying, that doesnt happen too often. Granted, some flocks do poor speeds in both directions. Though its certainly not all flocks. More and more people are putting the power on it... JC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,531 #54 January 24, 2011 Quote So why are we still flying flocks with fall rates that a newbie in a Classic II could achieve? Ask the people you flock with.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeemax 0 #55 January 24, 2011 Quote Quote and don't forget Julian Boulle and the Sugar Glider before that If it wasn't for PF we would all still be jumping the S3. If it wasn't for Tony we would all still be jumping the V3. Competition drives things forward and enables us all to fly better So why are we still flying flocks with fall rates that a newbie in a Classic II could achieve? I can track with a fall rate of 80mph in a tight fitting RW suit. Flocking at 65 - 70mph fall rate seems a waste of wingsuit potential. Without starting another country specific debate, there is part of this that is region specific. I know I have to adjust my flying style considerably when jumping in flocks in the states. Sometimes I have to have my feet almost on my butt to save overshooting everyone else, which is not so much the case in Europe, and certainly not when you jump with the Finns!Phoenix Fly - High performance wingsuits for skydiving and BASE Performance Designs - Simply brilliant canopies Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aarthus 0 #56 January 24, 2011 Quote Flocking at 65 to 70 mph can be a joy as well, if its at balistic forward speeds. Patrick de Guillebon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aarthus 0 #57 January 24, 2011 Quote which is not so much the case in Europe, and certainly not when you jump with the Finns! ever tried with the frenchies...?Patrick de Guillebon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mccordia 74 #58 January 24, 2011 Neeh...too steep JC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mccordia 74 #59 January 24, 2011 initially wanted to say 'neeh..to hairy from what I hear' but decided to keep it non-sexual.. JC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 140 #60 January 24, 2011 Quote Quote Flocking at 65 to 70 mph can be a joy as well, if its at balistic forward speeds. can we have a 50-55 please ? scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mccordia 74 #61 January 24, 2011 And we have a bid of 50-55 from the young man in the Swiss clothing! Anyone bid less......45....40.....?(now you call me Jarno...in 2 weekends, call me 'student from hell') JC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hjumper33 0 #62 January 24, 2011 Come to lodi for v3 flocks! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
michalm21 2 #63 January 24, 2011 45 would be perfect but let's be honest - some cannot physically fall that slow, and also, I wouldn't keep back with my V3.. I'd be too far ahead of ya'll (to be clear, I jump here with everyone, from the biggest to the smallest suits, including Intros... kind of hard to flock in 50s if some people are unable to max in 50s...) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
monkycndo 0 #64 January 25, 2011 Quote Quote which is not so much the case in Europe, and certainly not when you jump with the Finns! ever tried with the frenchies...? Only once. Good thing it wasn't on video either.50 donations so far. Give it a try. You know you want to spank it Jump an Infinity Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KrisFlyZ 0 #65 January 25, 2011 Quote and don't forget Julian Boulle and the Sugar Glider before that Thought Sugar Glider was made by the same lady(MariaVon?) just based on input by JB(the other one ). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,057 #66 January 25, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Flocking at 65 to 70 mph can be a joy as well, if its at balistic forward speeds. can we have a 50-55 please ? Sounds good to me! Maybe I should come to Europe.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeemax 0 #67 January 25, 2011 You are always welcome Phoenix Fly - High performance wingsuits for skydiving and BASE Performance Designs - Simply brilliant canopies Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LouDiamond 1 #68 January 26, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Quote Flocking at 65 to 70 mph can be a joy as well, if its at balistic forward speeds. can we have a 50-55 please ? Sounds good to me! Maybe I should come to Europe. You should give it a try. They definitely fly faster on the other side of the pond as a norm. Flying with the Finns is straight up killing it and a lot of fun."It's just skydiving..additional drama is not required" Some people dream about flying, I live my dream SKYMONKEY PUBLISHING Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BenediktDE 2 #69 January 26, 2011 Quote initially wanted to say 'neeh..to hairy from what I hear' but decided to keep it non-sexual.. Keeping it non-sexual? Dude, you're freeflying too much. ;)For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mccordia 74 #70 January 26, 2011 Quote They definitely fly faster on the other side of the pond What most visiting americans dont know is that the cameraman is equipt with a goalkeeper missile, and instructed to kill the slowest flyer. You bet your a$$ everyone puts on the speedJC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skwrl 56 #71 January 26, 2011 QuoteWhat most visiting americans dont know is that the cameraman is equipt with a goalkeeper missile, and instructed to kill the slowest flyer. You bet your a$$ everyone puts on the speed Shhhh!!!! That's why I have a laser sight on my new camera helmet...Skwrl Productions - Wingsuit Photography Northeast Bird School - Chief Logistics Guy and Video Dork Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
virgin-burner 1 #72 January 27, 2011 Quote Quote What most visiting americans dont know is that the cameraman is equipt with a goalkeeper missile, and instructed to kill the slowest flyer. You bet your a$$ everyone puts on the speed Shhhh!!!! That's why I have a laser sight on my new camera helmet... not because you now have a contour? “Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skwrl 56 #73 January 27, 2011 Actually, while I do have a Contour, it's not mounted to my helmet. The laser is to allow me to quickly sync my ring sight with my cameras while on the plane. In other words, the laser points to where the cameras point; if my ring sight gets jostled or moved, I can easily adjust it to where it should be. Skwrls with freakin' lasers on their head...Skwrl Productions - Wingsuit Photography Northeast Bird School - Chief Logistics Guy and Video Dork Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
virgin-burner 1 #74 January 27, 2011 now, if you've had heat-seeking sensors.. i'd believe you! “Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
unclecharlie95 3 #75 January 31, 2011 Quote You should get out more Erm, well i guess that is tongue in cheek too - Mulder and Scully style - I have access to files that prove it and have sent them to likiweaks. Props to Andreas for the tunnel testing, IMO it's the future (like Jyro did with Icarus) - we just need to find the $$ to pay for the tunnel time. The new suits are another step forward in glide ratio and also start flying faster, the performance comps and BASE jumps to date show that. Flocking performance is another discussion all together...BASEstore.it Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
