Ronaldo 0 #1 February 7, 2011 For those who have flown both which one would you recommend for flocking and why? I'm 1,86m/ 83kg (6'2"/ 182lbs). According to TS website the R-bird is targeted to flocking while S-bird is more of a performance suit so I guess the R would be the one for me but I'd love to hear from people who have tried both. BTW, sure I would love to fly before buying If I could only find someone to send a demo suit to Brazil (I'm still trying). ThanksEngineering Law #5: The most vital dimension on any plan drawing stands the most chance of being omitted Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mccordia 74 #2 February 7, 2011 I'd vote PhantomContact Juan Mayer (FlyMelon) for South America/demo's.... JC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
virgin-burner 1 #3 February 7, 2011 shadow! or V4 respectively.. “Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skwrl 56 #4 February 7, 2011 I've flown both, and I like both of them. I'm assuming you're already an exprienced wingsuiter and this isn't your first suit. If that's not correct, my suggestion will change. You're taller than I am but about the same weight. I think you'll find that the R-bird gives you enough power and ease of flight as you'll need for flocking, but if you really want the ability to do max flight from time to time (like, at breakoff) you'll want the S. It is a little more challenging suit to fly at pull time than the R (but nowhere as hard as the X), but if you're comfortable with your deployment technique you should be fine. For what it's worth, I often prefer my S-bird to the X-bird because it's got almost the range of the X and it isn't as much fabric to deal with at pull time. I haven't yet jumped the X2 or the other new models (e.g., the new version of the Apache). I'm not a Tonysuit rep so I no idea how you could get a loaner. I'm sure someone could come up with an idea, though... Good luck and let us know what you decide to do.Skwrl Productions - Wingsuit Photography Northeast Bird School - Chief Logistics Guy and Video Dork Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Electronaut 0 #5 February 7, 2011 I saw in your other thread you're coming to Florida; Sebastian has a big box o' wings plus Jeff is there as Tony's rep. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ronaldo 0 #6 February 7, 2011 Quote I saw in your other thread you're coming to Florida; Sebastian has a big box o' wings plus Jeff is there as Tony's rep. Probably at the end of May, do I have to wait that long?Engineering Law #5: The most vital dimension on any plan drawing stands the most chance of being omitted Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LukeH 0 #7 February 7, 2011 Shadow - accept no substitute. From what little I've seen of them the S and X wing are WAY too big for someone of your build flocking. As are the Ghost 3 and Venom. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsane 0 #8 February 7, 2011 Never buy a suit that you haven't jumped ... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skwrl 56 #9 February 7, 2011 "Never buy a suit that you haven't jumped ... " QFT.Skwrl Productions - Wingsuit Photography Northeast Bird School - Chief Logistics Guy and Video Dork Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ronaldo 0 #10 February 7, 2011 Quote Never buy a suit that you haven't jumped ... Does that mean never buy one (if you can’t demo and no one around you has one?)Engineering Law #5: The most vital dimension on any plan drawing stands the most chance of being omitted Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mccordia 74 #11 February 7, 2011 With a bit of patience, demo's are always accesable...and way cheaper than buying a suit you end up disliking and wishing you bought another model..JC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BIRDDOCTOR 0 #12 February 7, 2011 I bought a phantom 2 w/o demoing one. That was best wingsuit mistake I ever made:)Base# 1638 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
roostnureye 2 #13 February 7, 2011 QuoteShadow - accept no substitute. From what little I've seen of them the S and X wing are WAY too big for someone of your build flocking. As are the Ghost 3 and Venom. i am 6' ish and 150lbs, i fly an rbird, i can get well over 3 min out of it, averaging 33-38mhp, you do not need an extremly large wing to get long times in the sky.... i saw a guy change suits 3 times at the 25way vertical challenge, going from an sbird and a weight belt with 6lbs, to an rbird, to a tbird that we finally got the record on. when you flock you have to dive /sink into your slot, its allot easier to fly a smaller suit into your slot than it is to fight against fabric all the way down to a slot. try them both before you buy, btw your arms will thank me if you decide on the smaller suit! ive flown intros, tbirds,raptors,rbirds, sbirds,xbirds,and x2s. and i bought an rbirdFlock University FWC / ZFlock B.A.S.E. 1580 Aussie BASE 121 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Oddern 0 #14 February 7, 2011 QuoteShadow - accept no substitute. From what little I've seen of them the S and X wing are WAY too big for someone of your build flocking. As are the Ghost 3 and Venom. Your vision might be blury and you might need glases ;) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mccordia 74 #15 February 7, 2011 QuoteYour vision might be blury and you might need glases ;) With proper wingloading....perhaps.. Regardless of branding, wingloading is way to often ignored in suit advice.JC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sam_Adams 0 #16 February 8, 2011 oi ronaldo, if flocking is what you plan on doing most of the time when you put on your wingsuit, then the r-bird is going to give you everything you ever want out of a wingsuit. you will love it! flocking of course can be done in the bigger suits as well, on the 68way in elsinore or recently on the vertical 25way people were flocking their x-birds and s-birds. of course these big suits demand more experience and skills and again if what you mainly want to do is flocking it´s just not necessary to bring these big toys. you might wanna check out this very cool website, maybe these guys can help you out with an r-bird as well http://wickedwingsuits.com/ até logo ;-)You see things; and you say, 'Why?' But I dream things that never were; and I say, "Why not?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ronaldo 0 #17 February 8, 2011 Hello Sam, Thanks for the tips. I also believe the R-bird would be probably the best option. I don't really need those extremely large suits since I'm not planning to do performance flights. I believe I'll have a chance to fly a Phantom2 in one or 2 weeks so this will be a good opportunity. I was contacted by Simon from "wickedwingsuits". He was extremely helpful and offered to even build an R-bird to my measurements in case I wanted to demo. Unfortunately, the total cost of a 2 month rental (minimum) would be too high. Safe skiesEngineering Law #5: The most vital dimension on any plan drawing stands the most chance of being omitted Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sam_Adams 0 #18 February 8, 2011 no worries ronaldo, glad i could help! and yes, take every chance to demo whatever suit you can get your hands on. there are a lot of good products out there. having flown myself many of the suits available these days i have to say if you in the end decide to buy the r-bird you won´t regret it. for shure it´s one of the best all around suits out there! blue skiesYou see things; and you say, 'Why?' But I dream things that never were; and I say, "Why not?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
repcool 2 #19 February 9, 2011 We will be adding R & S Birds to the rental fleet over the next few months but by request only. Contact me if you are interested. Who knows...before long we will have an X2 & Apache in the fleet! Simon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kleggo 145 #20 February 11, 2011 QuoteWe will be adding R & S Birds to the rental fleet over the next few months but by request only. Contact me if you are interested. Who knows...before long we will have an X2 & Apache in the fleet! Simon Simon What is the difference in arm and leg wing surface area between the 2 suits? is this even a useful question for someone deciding between R and S? cheers Craig Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
repcool 2 #21 February 11, 2011 Quote Simon What is the difference in arm and leg wing surface area between the 2 suits? is this even a useful question for someone deciding between R and S? cheers Craig Hi Craig, The S has more arm AND leg wing and the progression onto it should be respected. To put it into perspective I just ordered my own S Bird after putting in 300 flights on my R. I haven't yet mastered the S so I won't pretend I am an expert on it but it is a popular suit for the right pilot. Simon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
