DSE 5 #26 April 19, 2011 QuoteThree people (skydiver and basejumper now in xbird or vampire) who know the 2 suit say that the rbird have a better glide, a better "start" , easy to fly too and have escape slave. But is not precise and unstable when turning (not good for flock or proximity) The phantom is more agile and precise but have really less performance. I know it s the pilot who make the suit but this comment is for the same guy (the three to say the same) So each one have quality and default that s why it s difficult to choose i ll buy the cheaper i think.... Have a look at my Facebook page, there are three videos from three days of a fairly experienced, taller and lighter dude flying an Rbird. I'm in my P2. Watch me climb on him on every jump @breakoff. Yes...it's the pilot but... This guy has 150 jumps on an Rbird, is taller and lighter. IMO, it's sad that so many guys go for the "mattress" concept vs learning to fly their body, learning to be (your words) more precise, agile. Learning to fly your body is more important than anything, IMO, and once you have that down... the suit doesn't matter much. It's a tool to enhance what your body already knows to do. Either way, you'll have fun. These *are* both great suits, and that's why they're difficult to choose. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gzimmermann 0 #27 April 19, 2011 "So each one have quality and default that s why it s difficult to choose i ll buy the cheaper i think...." Yep. And please use the money you saved for getting some coaching from either Jeff and Taya or Scott, Scotty, DSE. I can recommend them all! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LukeH 0 #28 April 19, 2011 If you want more max glide than a Phantom2, there is the Ghost 2, if you want a lot more there is the Ghost 3. The suits from different manufacturers are not exactly matched. Butters: There is no equivalent to the Vampire. It's a very different beast to anything else. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wyrdrocks 0 #29 April 19, 2011 I don't have many jumps, (150), but I have had a chance to demo a lot of suits. The R-bird is a great solo/flocking suit. It inflates very well, and places less strain on the arms. You can adjust the inside zippers to "tune" your performance to match others. However, it takes a skilled pilot to do aerobatics in. The P2 is more of an all-around-suit. It is easy to fly, and it does really well at aerobatics. It is a smaller wing, so it takes a skilled pilot to max it out like the r-bird. Both suits have their pros/cons. It really is about what you want to do with the suit. Demo both if you can, they are both fun suits. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mccordia 74 #30 April 19, 2011 'its a smaller wing' is more indicative of different design philosofy than it is an indicator of performance being less or more difficult. Some suits fly on large surface area, others more on efficient use of the wing profile. People often see 'float' as a performance indicator, where (to me) its the combination of speed, agility, glide, fallrates possible, backflying, aerobatics and ease of use. Regardless of which factor you like, the P2 (or Shadow) both are choices nobody will regret...JC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LetsGoOutside 0 #31 April 20, 2011 QuoteButters: There is no equivalent to the Vampire. It's a very different beast to anything else.Was thinking the same thing. S-Bird isn't even close to what a Vampire is. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mchamp 1 #32 April 20, 2011 QuoteQuoteThree people (skydiver and basejumper now in xbird or vampire) who know the 2 suit say that the rbird have a better glide, a better "start" , easy to fly too and have escape slave. But is not precise and unstable when turning (not good for flock or proximity) The phantom is more agile and precise but have really less performance. I know it s the pilot who make the suit but this comment is for the same guy (the three to say the same) So each one have quality and default that s why it s difficult to choose i ll buy the cheaper i think.... Have a look at my Facebook page, there are three videos from three days of a fairly experienced, taller and lighter dude flying an Rbird. I'm in my P2. Watch me climb on him on every jump @breakoff. Yes...it's the pilot but... This guy has 150 jumps on an Rbird, is taller and lighter. IMO, it's sad that so many guys go for the "mattress" concept vs learning to fly their body, learning to be (your words) more precise, agile. Learning to fly your body is more important than anything, IMO, and once you have that down... the suit doesn't matter much. It's a tool to enhance what your body already knows to do. Either way, you'll have fun. These *are* both great suits, and that's why they're difficult to choose. Could you please provide the name of the video on your page? Many thanks!For info regarding lift ticket prices all around the world check out http://www.jumpticketprices.com/dropzones.asp Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
alygator 2 #33 April 20, 2011 I agree with you but the cheaper i found for now is a Rbird.... I don t find used phantom... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DSE 5 #34 April 20, 2011 IIRC, they're from the week of March 17 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #35 April 20, 2011 QuoteButters: There is no equivalent to the Vampire. It's a very different beast to anything else. Agreed but if you have to compare the suits from different manufactures then ... Prodigy <-> Intro Phantom <-> T-Bird Ghost <-> R-Bird Vampire <-> S-Bird Venom <-> X-Bird ... the Phantom should be compared to the T-Bird instead of the R-Bird."That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,489 #36 April 20, 2011 Quote... the Phantom should be compared to the T-Bird instead of the R-Bird. The OP said he's been offered 2 suits, one is an R-Bird and the other is a P2. How would talking about a T-bird help him?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
alygator 2 #37 April 21, 2011 Without news from the seller of the used Rbird i order a brand new phantom2z with back fly option, in black and red. Now i have to wait 8 weeks... :( Thanks all for your help! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ifell 0 #38 April 21, 2011 Quote Now i have to wait 8 weeks... :( Haha I think your gonna have to make that frown a a bit bigger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mccordia 74 #39 April 22, 2011 The frown wil turn into a maniac smile when you're flying it for the first time. Nothing beats a custum fit wingsuit, in your 'own' colors.. JC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
alygator 2 #40 April 22, 2011 They tell me about 6 weeks (a friend of me received his phantom in 2 week, lucky one) I ll wait, i have no other choice... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ifell 0 #41 April 22, 2011 Its been 16 weeks right now, expecting it some time next week... hopefully I do agree a brand new custom suit in your colors is much better than a used suit Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mccordia 74 #42 April 22, 2011 16 weeks? Hows that possible? I havent seen any suit go past 6 to 8 weeks the whole last year. Several people who had longer waiting times, in the end, appeared to have people in between them and PF 'hanging on' to orders untill they reached a certain number. Vampire series aside, current lead times at PF (P2/Shadow/Ghost/Venom) are about 7 to 8 weeks (busy times, summer almost here), but during the 'low' season got down to 2/3 weeks as well. Anything over that period is usually worth enquiring with the factory to see 'whats up' as it should definately not be 16 weeks.JC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ifell 0 #43 April 22, 2011 Placed my order between Xmas and new year's so its been 16 and since I doubt I will have it by tomorrow its going to be at least 17 weeks... I sent an email to every address I could find on the PF website with no answers what so ever, spoke to my "rep" up here not too long ago saying it should be here soon but no word from PF Shame too as I was hoping to build a relationship with this company but I will be looking at alternatives for my next suit :: That is if it actually gets here... otherwise I will be looking at alternatives for 1st suit Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mccordia 74 #44 April 22, 2011 QuoteI sent an email to every address I could find on the PF website Im checking several of those accounts daily, and never seen any email from you? Shoot me a PM or email at jarno@phoenix-fly.com with the name of your dealer, and suit ordered. As anything over the normal 4 to 8 weeks for any suit is simply impossible for the P2, Ghost, Shadow etc. No clue whats going on, but for sure...something is wrong.JC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mccordia 74 #45 April 22, 2011 Small comment aside...lead times going into 12 to 16 weeks can happen for some suit models. The PF Vampire series has had those longer waiting times due to massive amounts of orders (the suit has its own seperate production line). Knowing several friends of mine with suits of other manufacturers are currently going into their 5th month of waiting, its safe to say wingsuit production is quite similar to rigs and other skydive gear. Popular demand can push back lead times to more than anyone desires. With only 3 active players, and only 2 doing custom sizing/models...there arent many options for 'other' sadly either. But I know both work hard to keep delays down to the minimum. But as mentioned above, the trouble you've been experiencing leads to me to believe there is something else going on...PM-ed you.JC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ifell 0 #46 April 22, 2011 Ok so a big thanks goes out to Jarno, DSE and SuperGirl for throwing some help and knowledge my way concerning these issues I have been having and getting all this straightened out. You guys have been great! Oh and I got my FlySight today so hopefully I will be able to use it soon hehe Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mccordia 74 #47 April 22, 2011 The issue was 2 dealers (one of who not a real dealer) in between the customer and PF, causing long lines, and slow communication. Hopefully all sorted now. For those buying a wingsuit, all PF dealers are listed on the website and if no dealer or rep is nearby, a direct order is always quicker!JC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
alygator 2 #48 April 22, 2011 I ordered from Adrenalinbase (i m in FRANCE) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
alygator 2 #49 May 3, 2011 i ve just ordered flysight to train with my prodigy and still waiting for my phantom (for 4 weeks if no bad surprise) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
slim_shady 1 #50 May 3, 2011 and i can't wait till my new PF Ghost3 arrives not that this is important in this subject, but still... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
