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Ive only done 4 jumps on a spectre but I have to say the flare was fine, no problems at all.
I Jump a sabre and have over 120 jumps on a 170 loaded at about 1.2, still loving it, trying to kill myself etc. Flare is lovely, flies fine even after 500 jumps on the canopy. Only had a couple of real slammers, but I pack it so it generally (49/50) opens in about 700+ft. I dont know why people moan about it so much.
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I Jump a sabre and have over 120 jumps on a 170 loaded at about 1.2, still loving it, trying to kill myself etc. Flare is lovely, flies fine even after 500 jumps on the canopy. Only had a couple of real slammers, but I pack it so it generally (49/50) opens in about 700+ft. I dont know why people moan about it so much.
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QuoteIve only done 4 jumps on a spectre but I have to say the flare was fine, no problems at all.
I've just bought a Spectre after over 500 jumps on Sabres. Comparing my Sabre 135 to my Spectre 135 I can't say that the flare is better on the Sabre or worse on the Spectre, they just land slightly differently. I've get lovely landings out of both!
QuoteI Jump a sabre and have over 120 jumps on a 170 loaded at about 1.2, still loving it, trying to kill myself etc. Flare is lovely, flies fine even after 500 jumps on the canopy. Only had a couple of real slammers, but I pack it so it generally (49/50) opens in about 700+ft. I dont know why people moan about it so much.
Most of the openings on Sabres are ok, but it's those slammers! One in every 70 or so jumps, no matter how carefully you've packed, even if you've packed exactly the same as the last 70 pack jobs they can bite. I had one opening on my Sabre 135 that was so hard I thought I had broken a rib!
. I could give you plenty of examples of experiences froiends of mine have had with bad Sabre openings... by and large the openings on the Sabre are fine but when they bite they're nasty!
Vicki
(now a very happy Spectre owner!)
Have to agree re. the spectre - I land nice and flat on it (It's what I decided to buy). I always found a stiletto takes the few extra seconds for the sides to settle and lands a bit steeper. Not sure how much of it is the workman and how much the tools 
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This thread cracks me up.
Some sabres open hard. Sabres are fine parachutes. Some hard opening Sabres can be tamed by packing others need modification. Most of them open just fine.
Spectres have a nice flare. If the user doesn't flare it properly then it's the user, not the canopy. If it's flared like a stiletto, you will pound in... kapish?
Stilettos are notorius for diving openings. I wouldn't go so far as to saying they are spinners. They just a have a cool name that's easily altered by those who don't really have a clue. I'm so used to a Stiletto turning on opening that I quit noticing it. Most of the time it was relatively on heading. If I helped it open (ie: tried to steer the opening) the more it dove. The less I did to it the better it opened. I've cutaway 1 and 1/2 line twists and and undid about 8 line twists. go figure. I'd say after the 1000's of jumps I have on Stilettos I can easily say they are not Spinners, but can be. As can a Spectre. IN fact!!! a man named Keith at our DZ has cutaway 2 line twisted spinning Spectres and Yes he pulls stable.
It's a parachute. Every little part moves. There will be inconsistancies. Mostly it's the user. Most problems seem to work themselves out after 50 jumps. The parachute didn't change... the user did.
Cheers.
Some sabres open hard. Sabres are fine parachutes. Some hard opening Sabres can be tamed by packing others need modification. Most of them open just fine.
Spectres have a nice flare. If the user doesn't flare it properly then it's the user, not the canopy. If it's flared like a stiletto, you will pound in... kapish?
Stilettos are notorius for diving openings. I wouldn't go so far as to saying they are spinners. They just a have a cool name that's easily altered by those who don't really have a clue. I'm so used to a Stiletto turning on opening that I quit noticing it. Most of the time it was relatively on heading. If I helped it open (ie: tried to steer the opening) the more it dove. The less I did to it the better it opened. I've cutaway 1 and 1/2 line twists and and undid about 8 line twists. go figure. I'd say after the 1000's of jumps I have on Stilettos I can easily say they are not Spinners, but can be. As can a Spectre. IN fact!!! a man named Keith at our DZ has cutaway 2 line twisted spinning Spectres and Yes he pulls stable.
It's a parachute. Every little part moves. There will be inconsistancies. Mostly it's the user. Most problems seem to work themselves out after 50 jumps. The parachute didn't change... the user did.
Cheers.
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I have jumped all three, now jump a Vengeance. My opinion is that they are all great canopies. Sabre or Sabre II opens nice and on heading, great landings (Sabre II has a flatter glide). Spectre has very soft, on heading openings and good landings. Stilletto has nice openings, but will tend to search while opening. You need to be more aware of harness input but, this canopy has the best landings of all three and will get you back from a bad spot. Just my opinion.
~"I am not afraid. I was born to do this"~
TomSpoon 4
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Sabre - doesn't open hard if you know how to pack.
Spectre - okay, opens great
Stiletto - opens on heading if you can pull stable.
Are you implying that I don't know how to pack? Sure I do .
Sabre - doesn't open hard if you know how to pack.
Spectre - okay, opens great
Stiletto - opens on heading if you can pull stable.
I drop my gear at the packing concession. Pay them 5 dollars and I'm packed.
Still working on pulling stable though.
I've only jumped student canopies, Sabre, Sabre2, and Spectre, so I don't have much to compare against, but I find my Spectre (the 1st canopy I've owned) to flare great. Even coming straight in (like I do), if there's no wind and I wait a little late and flare hard and fast, it can push into a 20-30ft surf, which is pretty fun for someone who isn't even attempting to swoop. :)
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