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The 'problem' is No Evidence. No finger prints, no dna, no anything. Just people's statements about descriptions and artist profiles of people's contradicting descriptions followed by people's arguments about descriptions. People cant even agree on where Cooper jumped! Its the same as trying to dig a hole with no tools. Or where to even put the hole! That will go on forever or until people wear out and move on ... the lack of hard evidence has been decisive in this case. Then Tom Kaye jumps in and gives us 200,000,000 particles to think about! The Cooper Case is in gridlock unable to move.

TBH. DZ isn't really a place for newbies.. not that they aren't welcome. The people here have a very high case knowledge level and since the learning curve is massive there isn't anything new a newbie can bring to the case. We have thought it or heard it all before. It is hard for a newbie to get into or grasp the discussions. IMO, I have said it before but the problem is people even Cooper veterans use speculation to reject suspects or theories. This case is still in the investigative phase and you can't do that. You use facts and evidence to reject or eliminate. If you use conjecture you may be blocking a legitimate line of enquiry.. My problem with Ryan and others that have done this is that they misrepresent the facts or elevate an opinion to fact then use that to reject a line of inquiry.. A strawman. It is irrational and counterproductive. This case is unique in that it wasn't solved, something or some error caused it to remain unsolved, using assumptions, opinions or conjecture to reject what may be true does not advance this case it stifles it. Your bias should be open until the facts/evidence prove otherwise. The other fallacy is that we all are processing the same information, we aren't and that causes conflict.

What is the point of having a forum and discussions if only three people dictate who is right or wrong and bully the ones they disagree with? DZ becomes a circle jerk that is hostile towards outsiders, newcomers and people who have different opinions. That is not good for the case. For the record: I don't care about all the ridiculous suspects like Barb Dayton, Vince Peterson et al either. I think its a waste of time and energy. If we ever find Coopers identity it will be a name we've never heard before.

Hope in one hand and don't vote in the other. The problem is that too many are too slow on the uptake to see down the street much less around the corner.

The thought that Fly owes anyone anything is laughable. The Vortex can’t keep a secret. It’s full of back channel conversations and snakes. I’ve seen enough of his info to know he’s got it. I don’t see everything. For the six or so years I’ve been following him, I can say he’s consistent. As for the DZ only having a few people. Oh well. It’s Fly and sometimes me and Georger. The old group who used to have legit discussions is practically gone. We rarely hear from them. Bruce, Shutter, R99, etc. Facebook added a lot of people but only a small group of them have added anything useful. There are a few guys who questioned the Barb/Clara BS, but they were drowned out. The A sketch and thin nose and new flight path and drop zone would never have gone without discussion back then. Hall, Vordhal either. Nicky would have been banned and EU would have been shut down. Facebook is a social group. Very little legit discussion. Cunningham has been wrong so many times and argued every single point. The fact that his flight path was not questioned is ridiculous. Larry has been great for the case, but saying “The FBI believes…” is not accurate. It’s a loose play on words.