MeyerLouie

As usual Blevins, you have the most to write but the least to say. That's typical of one who is uninformed and ignorant on so many things and on so many fronts. Another Blevins alert: He wants a new ground search and he has listed all the of the ridiculous reasons and benefits for doing such a thing at this lare date. I am wondering if anyone else, like maybe the FBI, has thought about this, or is it an original Blevins idea? Hmmmmm. He's says he is not an expert on the subject, but he sure has given some expert advice -- what a guy -- a legend in his own time. MeyerLouie

As usual Blevins, you have the most to write but the least to say. That's typical of one who is uninformed and ignorant on so many things and on so many fronts. New ground search? Really think that one through now. MeyerLouie

Show me where I say on this thread I'm a 'Cooper expert'. I often direct peoples' questions on this forum to the people who have studied the case in-depth. Mostly I send them to Sluggo or Georger, for example. The main reason I avoided reading the books on Cooper, and went for the news articles and FBI PDF's instead was simple. I didn't want any preconceived notions from other authors before putting Blast together. You start doing that, you also begin trying to fit pegs into holes that don't fit...to make your evidence look better. Contrary to popular belief, I try not to do that. If you want to call that type of research pathetic, be my guest. On a matter of point, I have created nearly 500 illustrated articles for my Newsvine column in the last six years. Many of them were heavily researched beforehand...and a few are considered to be THE article on a particular subject. Some about NASA, a six-parter on missing adventurer Steve Fossett, and one on the Buddy Holly crash, to name just a few. The KC job was just another research project to me, the only difference being I had to go out into the real world to do much of the research, and the interviews. I've also edited just over fifty books, and written several of my own. That's a LOT of work. When you reach this point, or come close to it, then I will listen to you more on your criticism about how I do research for articles or books.

__________________________________________________ You spend time reading the Ha Ha Ha book but you don't care enough to do a proper literature review of the seminal information on the DBC case. No wonder you know nothing, no wonder you talk out of both sides of your mouth, and no wonder you have no credibility. Reading all the pertinent, seminal information on any subject is the first step in research of any kind. I would not have been so stupid as to admit to the whole world that I have never done any homework nor done proper research on the subject. And yet you wrote a book -- without having done a proper literature review, without knowing what information and knowledge were already out there. That explains a lot of things. What a stupid, stupid thing to do, Blevins. That makes you an uneducated hick. You always do a literature review first -- that's Research 101., You have reached a new low -- you had no credibility before, and you have even less now. Unbelievable! Pathetic! MeyerLouie Well...that's mainly because I was a book editor who was asked by a guy in New York to go out and research not 'DB Cooper,' but a guy named Kenny Christiansen. But on a matter of point, I did read every single page of the FBI's PDF's, and did a basic review of the news articles published on Cooper since November 25, 1971. I figured that was good enough for the job I had to do. __________________________________________________ But not good enough to come off like you're an expert, know-it-all on this forum. Again, not good enough, still pathetic. MeyerLouie

QuoteMeyerLouie says in part: ***'No Blevins, you assumed twice I was a prison guard at McNeil, you didn't ask --you just assumed, as usual. Even if you had asked me what I actually did at McNeil, I wouldn't have told you -- I Everyone I've ever met who said they worked at a prison was...wait for it now...a guard. It was a safe bet. NO, IT WAS A STUPID ASSUMPTION, AS USUAL. MeyerLoue

__________________________________________________ You spend time reading the Ha Ha Ha book but you don't care enough to do a proper literature review of the seminal information on the DBC case. No wonder you know nothing, no wonder you talk out of both sides of your mouth, and no wonder you have no credibility. Reading all the pertinent, seminal information on any subject is the first step in research of any kind. I would not have been so stupid as to admit to the whole world that I have never done any homework nor done proper research on the subject. And yet you wrote a book -- without having done a proper literature review, without knowing what information and knowledge were already out there. That explains a lot of things. What a stupid, stupid thing to do, Blevins. That makes you an uneducated hick. You always do a literature review first -- that's Research 101., You have reached a new low -- you had no credibility before, and you have even less now. Unbelievable! Pathetic! MeyerLouie

Okay, first...stop with the book thing. Whether I post here or not makes absolutely no impact on sales. For the 100th time: 97% of our sales come from the wholesale-only Ingram catalog. About two percent from Amazon, and the remaining one percent from direct sales, mostly from deliveries to local bookstores in the Puget Sound area. I spent almost three months creating a detailed report on Christiansen for the Seattle FBI. That is something regarding 'helping solve the case'. Or at least trying to eliminate one of the known suspects. I think Georger's a smart guy, but his posts are increasingly nonsensical and bitter in the extreme. I find myself ignoring his posts more and more. After Geoff Gray emailed me last week and said he NEVER told ANYONE I was 'untrustworthy' or those other things Georger claimed he said...well, I no longer pay attention to Georger much. _________________________________________________ One big problem around here is that everyone thinks their opinion is the only one that counts, and everyone else is either wrong, or full of BS. Practice what you preach, Blevins. Meyer Louie _________________________________________________ Attacking the messenger instead of addressing the message has become the norm. Also...at least three of you who post here (one is known) trashed Regina's article over at Wordpress with the most filthy crap I've ever read. So now I no longer trust anyone around here except 377 and a couple of others. It's part of the reason I decided to withhold the release of the KC report from Dropzone, because frankly...some of you can't be trusted. Cooperland, I have discovered, has a Hate Department. _________________________________________________ Especially for the know-it-alls and vitriol magnets... Let 's get real Blevins, how much time and attention do you really think your KC report is going to get? I heard the FBI scrapped your theory years ago (not much has changed, from what I've heard) and guys like Georger barely acknowledge your report's existence. I see you waving the banner, but no one is falling in behind you. I think it's intuitively obvious to the most casual observer that you just might be a legend in your own mind. It really is true -- when you do so little to establish crediblity, you get so little respect. MeyerLouie __________________________________________________

(You said you worked at McNeil Island Prison, and used that as a reference on your Cooper-was-a-sociopathic post) (I basically asked you TWICE in posts whether you were a guard, but you didn't answer. Most people who would say they worked at a prison and use that reference to make a psych opinion are either a psych or a guard. Obviously you were neither. Hopefully you got the heating system going at McNeil so the prisoners don't freeze their asses off. ) (Not a problem) (I got enough friends anyway. At least you quit with the idiot stuff, I'll give you that.

Nah. That would be MeyerLouie, your former McNeil Island employee who thinks all criminals have mental illnesses. After he asked which planet I was on (Planet Reality) and said I must have fallen and hit every branch on the Idiot Tree coming down (maybe that observation is based on personal experience) ...I decided to present my case on why Cooper can't yet be declared sociopathic. I've worked with these type of folks. Not the folks you see on Special Olympics, but Certified Nuts on Serious Meds. See, I just gave away a Big Secret in the world of mental health workers. Between themselves, they often use that type of slang. I'll admit it's not nice. Anyway, my job was to do the day-to-day observations on their behavior, make entries about them in their case histories, and recommendations on whether they should be seen by your local MHP's. (Shorthand in the biz for Mental Health Professional) Our great mental health system in America relies heavily on Case Managers. I got my job based on a lousy two-year degree in Speech and Communications from a community college, which I acquired using Food Stamps, work-study, and the good old GI Bill. (*laughs*) The shrinks and psychologists only get around once in a while, and usually not for long. In other words, the grunt work with these people fell to people like myself. I got to know this business very well, and was able to determine dangerous from reletively harmless. It's a survival skill, I guess. I did this work because the hours were great and the pay decent. In fact, at this one place I worked, they let me set the schedule for the teams...so this is what I did: I put each team on a rotating schedule. Your team worked four days on, 13.5 hours a day, then got five days off. Then you went back for five days at 13.5 hours. This had the effect of giving you much time off, while providing just OVER eighty hours of work (with a bit of overtime) in a two-week period. Everyone loved it. I used to take vacations to the Oregon coast all the time. Washington State handles mental health care rather poorly, at least back when I was doing it. They had the hospitals, the group homes, and sometimes these folks graduated to living on their own. Unless they were totally bat-shit crazy and extremely dangerous to society, the routine went like this: 1) They enter a hospital like Western or Eastern State on one referral or another. 2) Once their meds were stabilized and they could operate in reasonable reality, they were either kicked back out to the streets or put in group homes. 3) Occasionally, one would freak out and you'd have to bounce them back to the hospital. 4) Sometimes they actually got their own place, a job, and lived reasonably normal lives. 5) Washington State is a crappy place to be if you are mentally ill, by the way. The care is still substandard compared to other states. At one point, we were 48th out of 50 states in quality of care. They've gotten a bit better, but still suck IMHO. I suppose I can get a 'tude when people like MeyerLouie start making assumptions about psych patients. There are a lot of misconceptions. I'm big on history and proper diagnosis, and we have neither of these from Cooper. __________________________________________________ Blevins, you've made more assumptions here than everyone else combined regarding your 'Chain of Inconsequential Coincidences' that make KC your guy. If I want to assert my opinion that DBC was a soiciopath, that's entirely my right and priviledge. It may be hard for you to swallow, but other people here get to make assumptions too. You don't have a corner on it. Since we're talking assumptions, I have stated several times that your assumptions usually come out of nowhere, that they're often outlandish, with no forethought. You continue to set new lows for yourself. So, I don't think you have any right to criticize anyone else for their assumptions. Speaking of ridiculous assumptions, where did you come up with the one that I was a prison guard? I also forgot to tell you I worked for the FBI -- I was a Frickin' Boiler Inspector. You make assumptions sbout people, out of the clear blue, and then you just go with it -- no verification, you just go. I can tell you this much, Blevins: my involvement at McNeil was a bit more specialized, but I just don't feel comfortable sharing any specifics with you. You can understand that -- we're just not really all that close. I don't see us sitting around the campfire singing "Cum By Ya" any time soon. But you're a trooper, I have to give you that. You continue to travel through space and time into that 'nebulously nefarious world of the outlandish.' I must admit -- I can't help but admire your dogged nerve and rubber-knee determination. MeyerLouie _________________________________________________

I think we are all capable of looking up the official descriptions on sociopath. But I don't see how we can then extrapolate that into 'Cooper was definitely a sociopath'. You are assuming an awful lot here. Any decent shrink will tell you they can't make a diagnosis without seeing a case history, doing an examination, or at least speaking to family members or friends of the patient. Cooper may have been a sociopath, but the evidence just isn't there. Not enough to go on. In addition, Cooper seemed to care only about one thing: The Money. __________________________________________________ Well, I've gone on record, from my experiences in corrections and from what we know Cooper said and did on 11/24/71 ...there is a strong possibility he was a sociopath. His behavior fits well into many of the elements of the profile for a sociopath. Proof? No. Going out on a limb? Yes. We all do that here on the forum -- maybe you haven't heard, the case hasn't been solved yet. MeyerLouie_________________________________________________ A true sociopath might be inclined to include something else along the way. Other demands having nothing to do with money, or additional gratification beyond the 22 pounds of green paper. A political or personal issue perhaps. Or...to inordinarily make people suffer somehow during the hijacking. Cooper showed at least some empathy by allowing the passengers and one of the stews to leave, plus he ordered meals for the crew in case they were hungry. He never exhibited signs of bizarre behavior, even when under the stress of possibly being killed by the FBI. He stated what he wanted, but he didn't go overboard on the threats. The only time he ever lost his cool was when he shouted, 'Let's get this show on the road,' (sic) and that's about it. Richard Floyd McCoy was WAY worse, if you are comparing behaviors during a hijacking. _________________________________________________ Are you kidding Blevins? This last paragraph is pure crap. Once again, you recklessly shoot off your big mouth. He never exhibited bizarre behavior? He didn't go overboard on his threats? He only extorted $200K, he only skyjacking an airplane, and he only threatened to kill several people. That's not bizarre? What planet are you on, Straw Man? MeyerLouie ___________________________________________________ The truth is, there just isn't enough information to say if he was or wasn't a sociopath. The crime alone is not enough evidence, in and of itself. You need more, and you haven't provided it. If you had previous experience jumping from a large aircraft, then perhaps it ISN'T crazy to do it. (Doing it in a suit and dress shoes, stupid maybe, but not necessarily crazy) Are you sure about that Blevins? You're the expert -- he couldn't possibly be crazy, just stupid, huh? So, which one are you? MeyerLouie __________________________________________________ Your assumption that Cooper was a sociopath is strictly a theory, and very little supported by evidence. Since we're on the subject of theories, how about this one: If Cooper was a nut case, the chances are greater his identity would have been discovered within a short time (or at least by now). This is assuming he survived the jump and got to keep the money.

__________________________________________________ Very good information, mrshutter45. I realize we have such a small snapshot of Cooper's life, so several elements of the sociopathic profile are unknown. But in my experience with prison inmates, I think there are enough of the elements of the sociopathic profile list you provided above to argue favorably for socipathic tendencies as they relate to Cooper. I may be more sensitive to the issue than the averge Joe --because of my involvement in the corrections system, but I agree, I think the sociopath argument can be made. It's not all black and white, I realize that. My main point was that normal, mentally well-adjusted people wouldn't even begin to think about doing the criminal, dangerous, irresponsible and absolutely crazy things that Cooper did on 11/24/71. Maybe a sociopathic person would. MeyerLouie _________________________________________________

And the criteria you used to make this diagnosis is what exactly? Did Cooper fit any of the below descriptions of a sociopath? You have no information other than the crime itself on which to base such an assumption. You saying this makes as much sense as me telling you I know for sure KC was Cooper. You are in full-blown Assumption Mode here. Sociopaths are officially known by the longer name 'Antisocial Personality Disorder'. One listed description, DSM-IV: Now some of the things you said fall into the opinion category, and I don't have a problem with that. However...lumping in DD clients with people who are psychotic, schitzoid, whatever...that I DO have a problem with. And I think the folks at the Special Olympics would say the same thing. Remember: That person bagging your groceries at the Safeway is more likely than not a DD client, too. They are not crazy. They are just DD'd. _________________________________________________ Blevins, are you just dense or uninformed? I laid out my case pretty clearly. You said, "And the criteria you used to make this diagnosis is what exactly? Did Cooper fit any of the below descriptions of a sociopath? You have no information other than the crime itself on which to base such an assumption." Weren't you listening? My last post addressed every item you just cited -- the criteria, how Cooper fits the definition, and guess what -- all we have here is the crime itself and what Cooper did as the basis for all of our judgments and assessments here. Duh, hello, that's all we have here, that's the basis for the forum we call Dropzone. Grab a clue big guy! In fact, I would say several things we know about Cooper fit into the "official" Blevins definition of sociopath that you provided. Everything in my definition is on your "official" list, and there's more of course, but I think I hit the key areas, and have a solid understanding, of what constitutes a sociopath. And I don't know where you are going with this DD thing. You're obsessed. Forget the DD thing, that's a non-issue when talking about Cooper. We're big boys and girls now -- we've moved on to sociopath. Try to listen once in a while. Popping off just to sound smart doesn't make you smart, Blevins. MeyerLouie _________________________________________________

Farflung: A great poem, an incredible work of art -- your talent for waxing poetic elegance is second to none. I was 100% entertained by it. Thank you. You continue to have a thing for Twisty Butt though. She is cute. Alright, I admit it ... I wasn't all that impressed at first, but the more I look, the more I like. Okay, I admit it ... I'm obsessed with her too .... Alright ... it even goes beyond that -- she makes my sticker peck out. I said it, okay! In fact, I've decided to come out of the closet because of Marla. Folks.....I'm here to proclaim it ... I'm a lesbian ... I love women ...what can I say... MeyerLouie

Well, your experiences working with criminals, perhaps as a jail guard...could give you a slanted view on the whole thing. There are certain crimes related to mental disorders, but simply being in jail for a crime isn't on the NIMH's list. You are generalizing. And I've never worked with DD clients, but with actual crazies. You didn't even know the difference even after I mentioned Western State and meds, and now you claim expertise in these things because you may have turned locks at the jail. Your assumption is the one that's ridiculous. I could name a dozen different crimes that people are currently in prison for that have zip to do with their overall mental health. The original argument was that because Cooper hijacked a plane for money, he must have been a nut. I say that's not necessarily true. Here's a possible place for Jo to check: Youth camp for boys, opened in 1961 at an old Cold War radar station site: Spruce Canyon, north of Spokane. Closed by Governor Dan Evans in July 1973. See attached picture. __________________________________________________ Well, there you go again Blevins, talking out of both ends of your mouth. Unlike your idol James Dean, you're a rebel without a clue. Here's an example: you said, "And I've never worked with DD clients, but with actual crazies." Did you know that DD clients can be really, truly crazy? Several years ago, I worked in a group home. At that time, the push was to get DD, "crazy" clients out of the institutions and into group homes, where they could live with dignity and respect and have some semblance of a normal home life. Most of those clients came from institutions -- those awful places where many were abused, raped, and neglected. Most were on serious anti-psychotic meds. You see Blevins, crazy people can come from anywhere -- institutions, group homes, prisons -- even airplanes. Here's another ridiculous thing you said: "I could name a dozen different crimes that people are currently in prison for that have zip to do with their overall mental health." That's total bullcrap. I think you would be hard-pressed to even get the mental health professionals to come to a consensus on that one. At McNeil, the inmates I worked with were mostly murderers and robbers. Follow my reasoning here Blevins: normal, mentally well-adjusted people, don't go around robbing and killing people. Those actions are not things a normal person would do. Since the brain dictates action, I'm thinking there must be something wrong with the brain -- you know, a mental disorder of some sort. In fact, I would say that most of the inmates I knew at McNeil were sociopaths -- and that, Blevins, is a mental disorder. Mental health (or lack of it) has everything to do with what one does or doesn't do. Sociopaths have no empathy, no ability to understand the consequences of their actions, no conscience. The only time they feel remorse and regret is when they get caught. If you become a traumatized victim because of their actions, well that's just too bad -- you were in the wrong place at the wrong time -- I was just taking advantage of an opportunity. Getting back on topic with DBC: I am going out on a limb and say, with virtual certainty (nearly 100% probability) that DB Cooper was a sociopath. I would say DBC fits the definition above quite nicely. Blevins, you said, "Cooper hijacked a plane for money, he must have been a nut. I say that's not necessarily true." I'm saying necessarily true -- he was a nut, a bonafide sociopath, bar none. I don't see a normal, mentally well-adjusted person doing what he did -- the extortion, the skyjacking, the bomb threat. And we haven't even talked about the weather, the way he dressed, and just how crazy you would have to be to actually jump into a storm from 10,000 feet up, dressed in basic black with dress shoes. Now that's crazy! MeyerLouie __________________________________________________

_________________________________________________ Jo, I am quite familiar with the Spokane, Coeur d'Alene area. There is a Boys Camp in Rathdrum, Idaho (north of Coeur d'Alene). I think it's a Boys Scouts Jamboree, big campout there every summer I believe. I know many people in Spokane, but I can't think of anyone off hand who could help you out with the county records search. I have family in the area. I'm planning a visit as soon as the snow quits flying, like early next Spring (I know I could go now with those studded snow tires and putting that 600 pounds of sand in the back end of my rig, no can do though right now). If you can be patient, I could probably help you out then. MeyerLouie

That's 'Nissan Breath' to you. I got rid of the Subaru in favor of an '88 Hardbody with low miles.

Nothing he did pointed to being psychotic or emotionally disturbed. Money-hungry, yes. Psycho, no. And it's easier to construct a fake bomb than a real one. You are so wrong, Subaru breath. Sometimes your bullshit is beyond ridiculous, Blevins. You can't even stop for one second to put some thought, any thought, into what you say before you say it. With all the idiotic things you say -- and you wonder why you have absolutely no credibility. DBC wasn't psychotic or emotionally imbalanced? He only extorted $200,000, he only hijacked a 727 and threatened to blow it up and 30+ unsuspecting passengers. Remember the fueling operation -- when DBC went ballistic because refueling had taken so long? None of that was a bit on the psychotic side? Jumping out of an airplane in street shoes and a basic black suit aren't crazy? And what the hell do you know about making a bomb, any kind of bomb? You're so pathetic Blevins. MeyerLouie

__________________________________________________ So what if Peterson makes a joke about being a DBC suspect? Who cares? It doesn't prove or disprove anything. I hope I have that much spunk if I'm so fortunate to live into my 80s. Good for him -- I hope he continues to look good, to look healthy and live to be at least 90. I will give you this -- your post re: your Peterson research was quite good -- lots of good information. (I'm pinching myself, I actually gave you a compliment). I said I found Mr. Sailshaw's information compelling ... that doesn't mean I jumped on the bandwagon. You said, "Geoff Gray (like me) only wonders whether KC was the hijacker." Blevins, I'd say you've done more than just wonder these past several years. True, Gray didn't come out and say straight out he thought KC was his guy, but from my reading of his book, I'd say he came real close to it. True, he presented all of the usual suspects in a very objective and fair manner, but you couldn't help but notice that KC was his guy. It's called critical thinking, critical analysis. When you read something, you are constantly assessing the author's intentions and the implications -- I think some folks call that "reading between the lines." That's a fair thing to do -- no matter what you read. MeyerLouie __________________________________________________

But there is a major fly in the ointment here. Current available evidence shows that Sheridan Petersen was quite likely residing in Nepal at the time of the hijacking. One of his children was born shortly before the hijacking (daughter), the other afterward, (son) and both Peterson and the doctor who did the delivery in Nepal mention he was there for the birth of the daughter. From Sheridan's Twitter page, where he advertises he is a DB Cooper suspect. (If he really WAS Cooper, he probably wouldn't advertise it on Twitter, since Air Piracy carries a 40 year prison sentence or more. ) Self-post, 2011, Online Meetup Group: What are your core competencies? Languages, platforms, etc. From Sheridan's bio when he was running for a school board post in California. Make careful note of the dates. His life is pretty well detailed between 1970 and 1980, and none of it mentions anything about dropping in at Portland International Airport to hijack a plane for money. Notice also he names a lot of companies he worked for during this period, many dates are given...and remember...he HAS been investigated...and dismissed as a suspect...by the FBI. With so much overseas travel and so many companies with which to check any alibi, it probably wasn't that hard for the Feds to figure out he wasn't in Portland, Oregon on 11/24/71. (Shah fell in 1980) __________________________________________________ Well thank you for all that vital, though unsolicited, information. When you supposedly quote someone, always cite your sources. Actually I was hoping to hear from Mr. Sailshaw. And, of course, Blevins it's okay to believe everything you read and hear about what Peterson said. He said it, his friends verified it, so it must be so. With all that irrefutable information about Sheridan Peterson, there can only be one, irrefutable conclusion: Ken Christiansen is DB Cooper. All of those incredible coincidences re: KC (that prove absolutely nothing, by the way). I'd say there's a fly in the ointment of your theory. The only reason it has any credibility at all is because of Geoffrey Gray. He thinks KC is the guy too. Bad move on GG's part -- to go out on a limb like that -- I think that, and sharing the stage with Marla, really hurt his book sales, maybe even his credibility. Not to mention GG tried to make his book read like a novel. Only the best writers, novelists, can pull that off -- making non-fiction read like a novel. His attempt was noble, you have to give him credit for that. As a newpaper, magazine writer though, he probably should have stayed with what he knows best. He does not possess the skills to be a good novelist. MeyerLouie __________________________________________________

__________________________________________________ Bob, Your information quite compelling. Those series of "coincidences" are impossible to ignore. And Peterson lived with you too. You keep stressing the importance of those envelopes. Isn't it possible the envelopes were a hoax, possibly from some hapless geek with a lot of time on his/her hands -- who wasn't Cooper? No doubt you have considered this. DNA analysis/comparison would certainly rule Peterson in or out. This question has probably been dealt with, but please bring me up to speed .... don't you think the FBI has already considered this and done the DNA analysis on the envelopes? I can't imagine this kind of significant evidence being put on the back shelf -- unless the FBI has just ruled Peterson out as a possible suspect and see no reason to continue pursuing their investigation of him (which I would find unbelievable, but which I've heard has already happened-- for whatever reasons). If so, how do you get Sheridan Peterson front and center, at the top of the list -- or at least front and center enough to get the DNA anyalysis completed on the envelopes? If he really is DBC, it seems there would be evidence somewhere, somehow, and in some remote way linking him to the crime. If he did all those things you described, he was too close, too involved, and too social to not leave something behind. Maybe this needs another look -- it probably deserves a much closer look, again. The other thing that bothers me is why Cooper didn't worry about being recognized. It seems reasonable that someone(s) from Boeing would have recognized Peterson (from the composites) or noticed his absence from the groups and clubs and social organizations he belonged to. It makes me wonder if Cooper did, in fact, significantly disguise his appearance -- which is a whole new topic for another time. MeyerLouie

If you didn't see the implied [/sarcasm] then you must be a blind believer or very new to the Internet. _________________________________________________ Or maybe I saw it a long time ago and I'm just way ahead of you.

...but I want to hear what Georger thinks about it before changing the plan submitted by Greg and Gayla. Right now, I think their suggestions on it are good. _________________________________________________ Do my ears deceive me? You are waiting on Georger? You want his opinion? I would have never believed in a million years this day would come. Miracles do happen, I'm a believer. MeyerLouie __________________________________________________

__________________________________________________ That's right, Blevins. It's better to shut up than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. Looking smarter to everybody never hurt anybody. It's about credibility, not about making mistakes. We all make mistakes. But to make a blunder that is so avoidable, well that's just ridiculous. Verify your sources and information first, before blabbing it to the world. What's so hard about that? It's pretty simple. This is not a porno site, Blevins -- where you say whatever pops into your head (no pun intended). There are smart, educated people here -- some with highly specialized skills. You have no respect for that. I think you have the wrong idea about what it means to participte in this forum. There is some expectation here of professionalism, intelligence, competence and credibility. Time to step up, or move on, don't ya think? MeyerLouie __________________________________________________

Good for you Robert. Few here so readily admit error. You'll probably get crucified by the Blevins haters for this correction but I think it shows diligence, humility and good journalistic ethics. Gerstman was lying. His Foss tugboat story was pure BS, tug voyages aren't that long, but none of his lies are provably linked to complicity in Norjack. 377 ________________________________________________ This is what I am talking about Blevins. You don't verify your information before you post it publicly. To apologize for this 'factor of 10' error is a major thing, a big deal. Coming clean after the fact just doesn't cut it. What a bonehead thing to do. No wonder you have no credibility. I find you to be the most disruptive, incompetent person on this forum. You said earlier you really didn't have anymore to bring to the case, that you got what you came for. And you have no credibility. Maybe it's time to take the hint and move on. Remember I said my R.B.I.M. (Robert Blevins Idiot Meter) was on a logarithmic scale, like the Richter scale -- each time you move up a notch on the scale, it's 10 times worse. Well, the timing couldn't be better. What you're posted here, now, really is 10 times worse, literally -- you were off by a factor of 10, you were off by one decimal place. Ain't you got no shame??!! MeyerLouie _________________________________________________

Stick to your day job. Forget about stand-up. That's my advice. __________________________________________________ I'm gettin' a real strong feeling here, and this time it isn't gas. I'm feeling, on top of everything else, you can't take a joke. It's better than attacking you. So I had a little fun, at your expense of course. C'mon, lighten up. MeyerLouie