MarkBennett

Welcoome back, Jerry! We haven't heard from you in a long time!

50000! Damn you, Amazon.....I've been waiting five hours to post that!!!!

Ok, Smokin, I'm stumped...Who is "east/west"?

Jo, Time to change your footer! :)

Jo, No reason to be coy, is there? Did you contact Bernie Geestman?

Oh, I don't care. I guess I will take both if that's what is necessary. I don't care if you call Geestman or any of the other witnesses listed in the KC report. I simply said I have to act responsibly before freely handing out their personal information. I won't be responsible for that. Besides, anybody can be found, especially when you provide their real names, some of their associates or family members, and the towns where they live. I'm not going to spend time re-hashing the entire case about KC, or what the witnesses have said. Anyone who posts here regularly is tired of hearing about it, and frankly...I don't blame them. Even I get tired of talking about Kenny. I will say this much: Bernie Geestman is a LIAR. That is a fact. He was caught in several key lies, not just by me but by people like Marisa Kagan at History Channel. I actually detailed his lies and what they mean regarding KC and the Cooper case in a Newsvine article. Look, I shouldn't do this, but here's the Short List: 1) Said he was gone for 'ten to eleven months at sea' for Foss Tugs the year of the hijacking. Foss Tugs says not a chance. 2) Said he knew about the loan to his sister from Kenny in April 1972, but not the details. His sister and her family all say the same thing about this. It was Bernie Geestman who approached Kenny for the loan and it was HE who delivered the money. 3) Said he didn't know the address where his ex-wife lived, but if I took him to Twisp he could show me where it was. But he lived there for years, and Margie had letters from him mailed from his home in the Port Angeles area. This was also the address used in their divorce proceedings. This is a minor lie, but points to something bigger. Geestman did NOT want me to speak to his ex-wife unless he was there to do damage control. And it's about a seven-hundred mile round trip between his home and Twisp. He had also accused her being a possible accomplice to the hijacking. But in her first interview, she claimed Bernie was involved in the hijacking, but denied that KC was involved until her final interview. This was after she read my notes from the Helen Jones interviews. I had to hand it to her for loyalty. 4) Denied even knowing Kenny to Marisa Kagan and then immediately called his sister and told her to take back everything she had told me in interviews. After Kagan confronted him, he admitted to both making the call and said he and Kenny were lifelong friends. 5) Claimed on History Channel that he was actually at Kenny's deathbed when he died. People who were caring for Kenny said he wasn't, and that only Lyle Christiansen was there. After seeing pictures of Geestman taken at different times, Carolyn Tyner said she did not recognize him and he never visited. 6) Said in initial interview that there was no way that Kenny was Cooper. But later on Decoded he told them Kenny could be Cooper. (“You're asking me for MY opinion? Yes. He looks exactly like the picture the F.B.I. put out...") You decide which is the lie. 7) Said specifically that on the week of the hijacking he was at work for Foss Tugs. Foss says no, and so do several other witnesses. 8) Lie by Omission: When questioned on how Kenny, a guy making around 500 a month before taxes, could loan Geestman's sister five grand, said this: 'I thought those airline people did pretty well...' I call this a Lie by Omission because Geestman had worked for NWA for years, in fact he had been with them before Kenny hired on. He was well aware of the poor pay, the lack of benefits, the strikes, and that Kenny was broke all the time. 9) Claimed he had no idea how Kenny selected the house in Bonney Lake or any of the arrangements on it. But the house was purchased from a couple where Geestman served as the Best Man at their wedding. This and many other reasons are why I have a nickname for him. Pinocchio. Suits him well. On the subject of Kenny discussing the Cooper hijacking. Every single witness I spoke to who knew Kenny said the same thing. He never spoke of it, not to his friends, his family, even his co-workers. And his collection of NWA clippings stopped the same year as the hijacking. Although Cooper was the biggest thing to ever happen to NWA, he never clipped a single article about it. Not one. But, Robert, you're missing a nexus here: 1) Geestman is a liar 2) ?????????? 3) Kenny is Cooper

Well, if your reason for not disclosing your suspect's name is because if you did his family would deny you his fingerprints and DNA, that's one thing. But, you keep talking about books and movies. And, you seem to question the motives of some of this forum. Robert Blevins has his own suspect and so does Jo Weber. Georger has never shown any inclination toward selling anything. And, as has been discussed on this forum many times, there is only one way to make a small fortune on the DB Cooper case, and that is to start with a large fortune.

The guy in that photo looked very familiar to me. It finally hit me -- Christopher Walken! Does anyone else see that? with a little photo shopping 101 what the hell - Thank you! I've always wanted my own preferred suspect, so I can post long and repetitive arguments on my preferred suspect. How do we know Christopher Walken was DB Cooper? 1) He matches the description 2) He may seem too young, but he's the same age as Richard Floyd McCoy 3) He has had proximity to other mysterious events -- such as the drowning of Natalie Wood 4) As a professional actor, he would have experience altering his appearance and his voice Yep! I finally fit in! I now have a suspect. Be sure to check back here hourly for my latest updates! and some wonder why I don't share the name here… for vetting,, .. Well, I'm kidding, obviously. But, I don't know why you don't share your name. There's not likely to be financial rewards and if you had the right guy, you certainly would be recognized by this board. There's just a lot of gamesmanship on this board, so I added my own, tongue in cheek.

The guy in that photo looked very familiar to me. It finally hit me -- Christopher Walken! Does anyone else see that? with a little photo shopping 101 what the hell - Thank you! I've always wanted my own preferred suspect, so I can post long and repetitive arguments on my preferred suspect. How do we know Christopher Walken was DB Cooper? 1) He matches the description 2) He may seem too young, but he's the same age as Richard Floyd McCoy 3) He has had proximity to other mysterious events -- such as the drowning of Natalie Wood 4) As a professional actor, he would have experience altering his appearance and his voice Yep! I finally fit in! I now have a suspect. Be sure to check back here hourly for my latest updates!

The guy in that photo looked very familiar to me. It finally hit me -- Christopher Walken! Does anyone else see that?

There are other options. One is: it could be official speak added by some third, fourth, or 18th party, even a typist! Example: I call in and say ' There is a guy in a costume, looks like a cat suit, with a crowbar, trying to break into my back door'. Emergency Dispatcher puts the message out: 'There is a lynx genus Felis rexroadensis caught in a 8x12 bed sheet out at Georger's place. Georger is beating the cat senseless with a crowbar and requests assistance.I have copied Animal Control on this who will be joining you enroute ... ' Who are you going to believe? And what do you suppose the deputy is going to find when he gets there! ? This kind of thing happens all the time when morons get in control of official communications and official records. It generates a lot of work for detectives, lawyers, and psychiatrists! That is the world we live in! Many people expect that everything word written means something and is a clue. Georger, are you suggesting the phrase of "negotiable American currency" could be the result of something as innocent as a high profile game of "telephone"?

The use of the phrases "front" and "back" chutes are also used to draw inferences about the hijacker. I don't think we can draw conclusions from that. They may not mean anything. It could just be phrases picked up somewhere. Maybe some other story? Maybe to throw them off? Do other nations have non-negotiable currency that might lead someone to use that word? (I believe there is non-negotiable US currency -- $100,000 bill was only used for interbank transactions).

A "fatal" mistake? Are you saying someone died because of their mistake or is that hyperbole?

Robert, We don't know what the FBI said to Tina when she got off the plane. It seems highly unlikely they said nothing to her. They needed to assess the risk of the rest of the passengers and crew and instruct her on what to do to make sure the hijacker didn't panic. I know we've been down this path before, but they also might have asked her to make note of any identifying characteristics of the hijacker. You might prefer one of the passengers descriptions to Tina's, but having a chance to be coached by the FBI would give her description the best chance to be the most accurate.

True...there have been prominent ones with extensive searches as well. In October 1972, US House Majority Leader Hale Boggs (and father of ABC's Cokie Roberts) and representative Nick Begich (father of the current Alaska senator) disappeared on a flight from Anchroage to Juneau. Despite Air Force, Navy and Coast Guard searches for nearly six weeks, nothing was ever found.

***I am not sure what Unsolved Mysteries did to Flo, but they made me wear a flower in my hair. Then the director and crew took my sisters and myself out for dinner and drinks. They MADE you wear a flower in your hair????I thought you were making a fashion statement!

Will you take a chill pill or something? TV guide listed a DB Cooper episode that ran in November for that show. Turns out it was not about the Tina Bar Soiree, but JT's 25-year search. In the words of Steve Martin: Fine, I'll watch the Tina Bar show in January. Did you guys figure out how the money got there? All of a sudden you are all over that episode like white on rice, and probably will promote it as The Salvation of the Universe, when in reality it is certainly just another review of the SOS on the money...that no one can say for sure when exactly, or how the money got there. Now TV shows on Cooper are suddenly your friend? Right. You talked enough shit about Decoded to fill an outhouse right up to the toilet seat...and those investigators actually have legit backgrounds related to the show, i.e. engineer, former prosecutor and JAG, and a very respected, multi-published professor of English at WSU. Give me a break. I'd say more, but it's Christmas and all. And speaking of Christmas, I've attached a couple of pictures.

She sold them this year for two bucks.

“Ha Ha Ha” by D. B. Cooper is a surprisingly long book. At 326 pages, it’s longer than Geoff Gray’s book and many other D. B. Cooper books. 377 said he hasn’t read it because it’s fiction. Is it? Could there be any truth in it? I had to find out. “Ha Ha Ha” is the story of a man who around 1970 was flipping real estate in southern California. He lost everything in a downturn and left town only a step ahead of his creditors. He moved on to burglary – first vacation homes, then houses and finally a pawn shop in an elaborate tunneling operation that netted most of its merchandise. He and an accomplice escaped to another town where they set up their own pawn shop to sell the booty. However, the local organized crime boss found them and forced them to do a job for him – burn some trucks of a trucking company that refused to allow the mob boss’s union in their business. Escaping just barely ahead of the police, they go to another town where they are arrested for an armored car robbery they didn’t commit. The “DB Cooper” character is charged and about to be convicted by crooked cops and D.A.s who knew he was innocent. Incredibly, he makes a mad dash just as the verdict is being read and escapes. He decides he wants one big score to avoid looking over his shoulder. Hence the hijacking. He jumps out near Reno, changes the money in Las Vegas and makes his way to Canada, fooling everyone. Could it have been written by anyone who knew anything about the hijacking for real? No chance. For one thing, the middle 15 chapters appear to have been written earlier and have no reference to the hijacking. They even give D.B. Cooper’s real name Kenneth (JUST KIDDING!) – Robert Danielson. The Cooper references appear to have been added to sell books and encourage attendance and Dave and Laurel Fisher’s Ariel Days. (The book was written in 1983. Dona Elliot said it was her 23rd event, so it must have been sold in the early 1990s). Might explain why Ariel Tavern has so many copies. The author appears to have a legal background of some sort. (In addition to describing motions and proceedings at his trial, he also pointed out that he filed a $1000 tax return for 1971 knowing, correctly if I recall my tax courses, that he couldn’t be prosecuted for under reporting income after six years, but could forever if he didn’t file at all!) But some of the facts of the hijacking are laughingly wrong. - He bought his ticket from a female ticket agent who joked about hijacking - He gave his name as D. B. Cooper - He learned a 727 could be jumped by researching at the Vancouver, WA library - He asked for all 20s - He carried the money down in his briefcase It was not a bad book, but totally implausible. Certainly not worth the $159.70 price on Amazon.

Good point, Mr. Shutter and I think Robert99 also made a very good point I hadn't thought of (only checking 20's from a small set of series). I'd have to confirm this, but I think the series (e.g. 1950) changes every time there is a new Secretary of Treasury or Treasurer of the United States, since the face of the bill must change. So, only searching a subset of a bills that are not as common as 1's or 5's make the search not as difficult as it would appear. I hadn't thought of those things. That's why I read this thread.

Robert, Let me see if I understand what you're saying. Are you saying that there were not just these two options: Trying to check every bill that came into the banking system or not checking any bills? There was either some sort of "sampling" or choosing certain banks or types of transactions for these bills? If so, what would they be? You don't say which kidnapping case you're referring to, and I assume it's not the Lindbergh kidnapping, but Bruno Hauptmann was captured as a result of passing one of the ransom bills and that was two and half years after the kidnapping. And, that was in 1934 -- 37 years prior to DB Cooper. Now, it's true there were some circumstances that made tracing those bills easier (they were gold certificates which were being removed from circulation starting in 1933). But it does show that tracking bills, although difficult, is not impossible. Nowadays, all you'd have to do is stamp "Where's George" on the bill and the public would track it.

Paul, I have edited your post to remove extraneous material (at least as I see it). Please check the above to see if it correctly states your "system". Let's limit the discussion to a single state if possible, assuming your system doesn't require two states. As I understand it, you are talking about a game of chance that uses 50 (or 60) numbers that are all in play at the same time. Why do you need two decks of cards? Presumably blank index cards could fill the same function, correct? Why do you count them out in groups of 5 or 6? Are you referring to the number of cards drawn in each drawing? What do you do if the number of cards to be divided into equal(?) groups leaves you with some odd cards. That is, the available cards cannot be divided equally into the specified number of groups? If you can explain the above, let me know. The State of Arizona has a lottery game that uses 44 numbers and 6 are picked at each drawing, which is done twice each week. If you have a "system" that is "logical", and in all honesty I doubt it, then I am willing to give it a field test here in Arizona. Robert99 Robert, This story reminds me of one of my all time favorite advertisements. I wished I had cut it out because it was so honest, yet deceiving at the same time. It appeared in Parade magazine about 30 years ago. It was for a device that would pick Lotto numbers for you to use that would supposedly help you win. And, the selling point was: "Or device picks numbers the same way the lottery does: RANDOMLY!" At least it was honest. Any other system implies that lottery numbers are not selected by chance and if true is a lot bigger scandal even than Norjack!

Just curious, Jo. Are you still paying for long distance? You make a lot of calls and you could save a lot of money.

Flyjack, this possible source has not been considered before to the best of my knowledge. I would like to defer further comment on this to a future date. In any event, I'll go where the facts indicate. If you can find a source for the early 1970s Columbia River data, please post or PM immediately. Both Georger and I will probably have trouble keeping our feet on the planet if you find that data. In the meantime, stay tuned and keep the faith. As mentioned earlier, the wheels are moving and time is of the essence. Robert99 Serious question, Robert. Why is time of the essence? I can't imagine it has to do with finding the money before it decomposes further. Is there FBI involvement or opportunity?

GreyCop, Jo Weber, RobertMBlevins and Georger are arrested by the DZ police for crimes against dropzone.com. They are told each can make one statement and then will be shot! Jo says, "Duane told me he was Dan Cooooooper!". She is promptly shot. Next, GreyCop says, "I've solved the case!". He, too, is promptly shot. Next, RobertMBlevins says, "This might take awhile. I want to talk about my top 25 reasons why Kenny Christiansen is DB Cooper...". Before he can start, Georger interrupts and says, "Wait! Shoot me first!".