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Delta II parawing,"baby" plane, "cloud" "dactyl death" and my first reliable square,my "star" cau dy ffwcin ceg,uffar gwirion! owain glyndwr Huh? Colorado? Figured you had to be Welsh! If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone

Look a little further down the page. http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=1036820#1036820 If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone

__________________________________________________ I could be wrong but I've never seen anything to lead me to believe that this 'antique' gear has been BANNED anywhere, let alone here in Canada. Certainly students are mandated to jump squares on CSPA dz's, but experienced jumpers can jump anything they want. If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone

Do we know that 90% of serious jumpers use Cypres'? Any stats on it? I find it really hard to believe that. Maybe at some dropzones or in some jurisdictions where they're really strongly encouraged, but 9 out of ten jumpers? I'd have to see the figures... If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone

My insurance to jump out of a plane, which is far more dangerous than driving a car, is currently over 20 times cheaper than my third party car insurance. We just don't realise how lucky we are to get year round insurance for £50!!! __________________________________________________ How much time do you actually spend in the air jumping per year/vs. how much time do you spend in a car... Here in Canada I do about 40,000 km/year and my wife another 40,000km./year. If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone

People might have more respect for YOUR position if you put your name and location in your profile. You don't have to tear people down if you can prove you know what you're talking about... It was a personal attack. As a teacher seeing you like this at recess with another kid I'd send you both over to stand by the wall. If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone

I disagree. Seems to me most flight instructors do that to build up their time till they can get a real job flying charters or for the airlines, too. It's a legitimate way to pay for your hobby... It's not your motivation that counts, it's how well you can teach... If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone

I did it mostly for free jumps and to impress the girls... Got lots of free jumps anyways! If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone

With all this talk about protection, I'm curious... do you guys use Sheik lubricated, or will just any old condom do? I want to know... Skin? If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone

close to trailers, aircraft, trees, powerlines, lawn chars, toys, etc. not to mention that it looks rock hard -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ...And THAT was the open area!!! With the "Get it or Go in" attitude of the day, we took those things into places a wiser person surely wouldn't! But then again we were pretty good on them too! __________________________________________________ Funny, that reminds me of my first trip to Fla in '79. Was jumping a Sierra, a lightweight copy of a PC. Headed over from z-hills to Jimmy Godwin's Eustis, planning to go on to Deland the next day. I had, let's see, about 25 jumps (I think I had 19 before we went down). My first jump in Eustis I'm coming in, see the bowl, head for and land right by it, so close my canopy dropped down pretty much into the packing area. I was feeling pretty good to myself, took off the harness and was thinking about packing up when I hear "How many jumps do you have!?! What the hell are you doing landing here!?!" Jimmy Godwin is roaring at me. "Well, this is the bowl isn't it?" I said, pointing to it. "That's the EXPERIENCED JUMPERS' BOWL!" he says. "STUDENTS are supposed to be landing at the STUDENT TARGET over there! You need at least a hundred jumps to land here!!!" He was pointing towards the horizon where I could see, if I just lifted myself up onto my toes, the glint of the Florida sun shining off a small hill of peas over on the horizon. Never landed at the experienced landing area at Eustis again... The guy scared the crap out of me at the time. But I was still pretty proud of myself. If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone

#10 Jeb Williams, 1986 I totally disagree. Jeb died on his 5th or 6th BASE jump. Most likely, 99% of all jumps were done on skydiving gear during this time. There were only 2 base rigs on the market at that time (JD walker and TNT) and ideas like bigger PCs were just rearing their head. Jeb died proving that a normal skydiving PC doesn´t work well from 500ft. As far as I know, He was the first to die from using too small of a PC. Giving you, me and the rest of the world the The knowledge that you apparently take for granted about the use of larger PC in subterminal. There was ignorance on that jump surely, but no stupidity. Jeb is an Icon as his pioneering death set the stage for the PC age in BASE. take care, space I like your take on it better, Space, but I think there was a fatality at Bridge Day (Grysting? spelling?) that also resulted from small pilot chute... If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone

A couple of times I've suggested to our organization (CSPA) that oldtimers should get a free or discounted membership after so many years jumping, or at least a subscription to the national magazine so they could keep up on what's happening and events such as Nationals or Provincials. I figured if they knew they were going on they might be bribed into coming out, hanging around and just talking to the newer jumpers... I was told that this discussion had been made before. Then my area representative said it's crazy to give these old guys free memberships - look at the motor homes they're driving around to the POPs meets in! (To mind it's the guys who don't go around in huge motorhomes we;d be trying to get out - the guys that don't jump anymore because they're on fixed incomes or have medical problems or simply lost the motivation to keep on jumping)... Then I was told insurance is the most expensive thing the association provides and that these old guys are the ones making the insurance expensive!!! Once again, I disagree - in most cases these old guys have seen it all and done it all and they're the last ones that are going to damage someone else's property.... I still think they should get a senior's discount. Rob Price If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone

Nope. CSPA rules say no-one under eighteen. __________________________________________________ Not true, my copy of PIM 1 (dated January, 2002) states under part 1, Administrative Recommendations and Information, section 1.9 "In the event a person over the age of 16, but under the age of legal majority is accepted for training, CSPA requires that written parental consent be obtained. Persons who have not yet reached 16 years of age shall not be accepted for training." Therefore it's basically up to the dzo if he wants to train 16 year olds or not. I know at least a couple of dropzones in the area that do... If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone

I've been looking for my old one for a while - just can't remember for the life of me where it went... Strato - Star - 180 sq. ft. Still remember Al Miller breaking his toe landing a fourstack (he was on the bottom) in barefeet in the packing area at Z-hills the 1st winter at their new site. (Al was 6 ft +, 230+)... In the pic I'm docked 8th under the strato-star, Paul 'Anvil' Evanoff and Taff Jones (?) on top under glidepath dragonflies, a bunch of royal marines in between. One is Andy Guest. Not sure of the others... photo by Pink Floyd (we'd freeflown a ten-man star and held it 5 seconds before opening and building the stack). If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone

He even knew and has pictures with Tiny Brodrick, the first person/ and yes it was a woman, to voluntarily jump from a plane with a parachute, just for fun! __________________________________________________ I agree with most of your statement, but this part is just NOT TRUE. As mentioned in the post on "Earliest Jumping in the US" a couple of days ago, Tiny Broadwick jumped from a plane a year after several others started doing it in 1912. She was certainly no earlier than 5th, and probably much later than that. And none of these guys (er, people) did it just for fun. They were professional barnstormers, doing it for money or to flog a product. I'm sorry, I just hate to see history getting revised - Tiny Broadwick did a lot of neat things, but her life seems to have taken on a mythology all of its own in a lot these posts. She did not have over 1000 freefalls or 1000 jumps from planes as some people have stated (she did do over 1000 jumps, but most were static-lines from balloons). Much of her testimony in a 1930's lawsuit between Irvin and Russell Lobe was discounted due to its inconsistencies and inaccuracies (she was testifying about the early freefall deployment systems in a suit brought by Irvin over its patents, against Russell). That being said, she was a real pioneer in the sport - still she didn't do this on her own. If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone

Yeah, I said Saunders made the first PLANE jump in Canada... If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone

Actually, 'Captain' Berry was a civilian smoke or exhibition Balloonist and parachutist just like the others. The Captain title was an affectation to make him sound like he was a captain in charge of a balloon, just as some balloonists used the term 'Professor' (as in Professor of Aeronautics) to help sell their acts.... He was showing off the jump from a Benoist plane for the owner/designer, but was hired by the planes owners, not the military... Rodman Law jumped before Morton too. He was a demo jumper for Leo Stevens... If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone

People had been parachuting from airplanes in the U.S. since 1912. Grant Morton was the first over Venice, California that year. "Tiny" Broadrick was the first woman to jump from an airplane in 1913. She had done so many time before from balloons. __________________________________________________ Capt. Albert Berry, March 1st, 1912 - first plane jump Roderick Law, April 13, 1912 - first hydroplane jump Grant Morton, April 28, 1912 - unfortunately landed in hydrowires inland from the beach and got a bit bashed up. Charles Saunders, May 24, 1912 - first plane jump in Canada. (Morton had been contracted but was 'sick'; Saunders was in the area doing 'smoke jumps' from a balloon and agreed to do the jump instead... The first plane jumps were done from 1 person planes, usually with just a board across the wing for the jumper to sit on. A week before Morton's jump he and pilot Will Parmalee had made another attempt, but the plane had plunged into a big wave on take off, and Morton was thrown from his seat into the sea. On May 30, 1913, Arthur Lapham (demonstrator for Leo Stevens Life Pack) fell from his makeshift seat on a Wright pusher flown by Harry Brown at about 300' over Staten Island. Since he was to have jumped from 5000' his static-line had not been hooked up yet. He was buried to his armpits in mud and muck, but otherwise unhurt. It was this incident that caused Stevens to invent a small lanyard that a parachutist could pull to arrest his fall after a short delay (the invention of the ripcord). Much of this information can be found in Dwight Dwiggins book, 'BAILOUT, The Story of Parachuting and Skydiving'. ____________________________________________ Incidently, their was a jumper named Edward Allens who started as an observation balloonist during the American Civil War, who is credited with doing over 3000 balloon ascents and parachute descents in his barnstorming career in the late 1800's. If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone

>I remember a couple years ago one skydiver sued another because >of a freefall collision. That's ridiculous. Commonplace now. Skydivers sue gear manufacturers because hard openings damage their canopies or because a poorly set grommet catches a line. Not much different than suing someone who collides with you. __________________________________________________ Actually I believe you're talking about the case of Gerry ****** vs. Rob Laidlaw in Alberta. In that case I don't think it was Gerry's idea to sue - he suffered brain damage and I believe the suit was brought by his guardians... And incidently, they won... As I said in the last thread, I don't think you can sign away another's right to sue - even if you could sign away your immediate family's right, what's to stop your uncle, aunt, etc. from suing... The best thing is not to depend on waivers, but to talk to your family... and don't get hurt. If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone

I skydive with a Protrac, whenever I skydive. I often use a GPS skydiving (with a wingsuit) as well. I'd imagine a Protrac would be a fairly valuable tool to practice delay, if you used it to clock very short delays. Does anyone have experience using one for that? I was meaning doesn't the Protrac give you an idea of the effectiveness of your wingsuit jumps, not your short delays... If you know what a good wingsuit jumper does, you can gauge your rates of descent and forward drive based on what your protrac is telling you... If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone

You expect your waiver to be legally binding on your kin? Probably varies from state to state and case to case. If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone

The question might better be worded 'if you suffered irreparable brain damage and were left a vegetable for the rest of your life, would your next of kin sue the dz, instructor, pilot, etc. to get the funds to look after you for the rest of your life - and, if you don't want them sued, what have you done to ensure that your next of kin follow your wishes and don't sue...." Everyone always says they wouldn't want to sue, but when the shit hits the fan.... Sometimes its not up to us, either. If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone

Another series of shots of Clem Sohn (in France, not long after yours). Taken from Birdman, by Leo Valentin. If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone

Doesn't a Protrac give you some sort of a frame of reference, ie rate of descent and time in freefall? Maybe a GPS to give horizontal movement? If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone

Spoken like someone who comes from a turbine dz... Here in Canada there are still an awful lot of dz's where people progress through IAD/SL to hop'n'pops, 5sec delays (counted) to 10 sec Delays (counted)... Not everyone is progressing through tandem and aff... If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone