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Everything posted by FLYJACK
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Sure, there is erosion and deposits.. clearly over time more erosion.. but it isn't linear. The piles of sand deposited slightly upstream in 74 would get eroded and deposited downstream...
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Dredge would cause silt. Suction and pipe dredge is dead.
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There are so many variables that we don't know. The money was found at about the high water mark.. it was well below the flood stage. The money was found in a layer with "fresh" debris. Clearly, objects do sink in sand.. tidal action, ship wakes, nearby erosion,, how would that affect the money?? How can we determine that. Was there more debris dumped there beyond the 1974 dredge.. If we assume the money went into the River in a Spring when the River was above the find spot but below flood stage and it gets deposited on TBAR then burial may have been a natural process... One thing I'd like to know is what a bundle of money does in the River with 3 mph current does after it sinks.. does it remain suspended above the bottom and get pushed?? I found that a corpse gets moved on a sand/gravel bottom with 1.35 mph current. I am now leaning toward the money arriving within a year or so of the find... for it to have been there and buried since 71/72 with all the erosion and found in a "fresh" layer... is hard to makes sense of.
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Yes,, cool pic but Mac was NOT a victim.. nobody made him do his hijacking and if not a hijacking he would have done something else like a bank robbery.
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You created a false binary.. These are two independent things... the money entering the River and the money landing on TBAR. Tom's research suggests the money did not arrive during a flood or dredge.. lack of silt. Sounds reasonable. However, you don't need a flood for the money to go into the River and you don't need a flood for the money to reach the find spot due to water level. The money spot is well below flood stage. Flotsam OR Jetsam... Flotsam is debri unintentionally or accidentally introduced into the water... Jetsam is debri intentionally introduced into the water... I have a theory for each... neither requires a flood.
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Nope. Water can be above the TBAR spot without a flood.
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Flood stage is 16ft,, IMO the money was at about 6-7 ft... Tom thinks a couple feet higher but the money may have been deposited at a high water above the money but well below flood stage. The money was about the normal high water line.
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and I bet the paper strap was slightly right of center.. where there are fewer diatoms.
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Palmer's reasoning.. "not at the site for more than a year"
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It was in a layer with "fresher" debris.... So, how does the money theoretically older debris, get into a layer of fresher debris? If the money was older debris, you'd expect to find other old debris in that layer as well.. Palmer also concluded that the money arrived by the River within the last 2-3 months... (diatoms suggest slightly longer) but recent, not 71-72.. If Palmer is correct and the diatoms are correct then the money went into the River in Spring 79 or maybe 78 and was deposited soon after. Therefore, somebody had that money stored for some time and Cooper's jump location is irrelevant to TBAR.
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The fact that the money was found in the upper layer with "fresher" debris supports the money arriving within a year or so of the find. (8-20 months) You'd think we could determine if the money arrived in 71-72 or 78-79... The condition if money does not support the claim it was deposited right before the find..
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Too young and blue eyes... no receding hairline. No marcelled/wavy/curly hair... No, he doesn't fit the description.
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Those fishing maps are not zeroed out... This one is zeroed out.. but 2023. https://hydrosurvey.nwp.usace.army.mil/nav_data/CL_26_WLWX_20230302_CS.pdf I had the money spot at about 6.5 feet and 35 ft from the water... The water level mean is about 2.5 ft. With flood stage 16 ft.. the River is often above the money spot. The Fazio's said it was underwater the week before the money find.
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Found this depth and bathymetry map for the Columbia.. Though current, the depth all the way across at TBAR is actually relatively consistent. High 40's. There is no depth channel.. no slope in the channel just on the banks. https://usa.fishermap.org/depth-map/columbia-river/#map
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There is another variable that has been missed.... Kelly Point Park, a seedy place is at the confluence of the Columbia and Willamette... Wading and swimming has been banned due to drownings. The current is unpredictable and dangerous... If the "money" were in the River the inflow current from the Willamette could push objects toward the Washington side.
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It is different, it is round with some open panels. Cossey in 1973
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Does this look like Cossey?? The left image is Cossey..
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Don't know what you trying to imply,, I have reports about the erosion in the 70's for Sauvie Island... it was severe. For a River curve the erosion force is on the outside, this case the West side of the River. The water travels faster on the outside and debris is deposited on the inside. If you look at the turn North off the Sauvie Island curve N it heads straight to TBAR. Consider this occurring during a flood/high water event..
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What are thoughts on the money timeframe... I have several TBAR theories... one money goes in Columbia Spring 1972 and is deposited.. another money goes in River in Spring 78 or 79... You'd think the condition of the money would give us an indication of time.. Bills underwater don't deteriorate very quickly but diatoms indicated the money was not in the water for long.. My research shows that mold starts within about 8 months for buried money... So, could that money be buried on TBAR for 8 years? and be in that condition or is it more like 1-2 years. It seems this would be a simple thing to establish.
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Nope, Sauvie Island goes all the way to and up the Willamette. The force of the Columbia hits Sauvie as it turns North
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That is for surface debris. I was being general about where the money went in the River.. it could have gone in the middle or one side. But the Columbia has a big bend.. the River flow hits Sauve Island and pushes across toward TBAR. What exactly happens during a flood event in the 1970's,,, I am not sure.
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Columbia River speed is 2-3mph.. Not sure about Spring flood stage.. but if the money goes in the Columbia near the Airport that is only 4-6 hours in the River to reach TBAR.. less if flood waters travel faster.
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US $20 bill found suspended above bottom in very shallow lake water... This isn't definitive or scientific but raises some questions. What does a packet of US money do after it sinks in deeper water.. Does it remain suspended above the bottom where it can be moved easily by current?? at 0:53 seconds...
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Even though I am Canadian I know that lying to the FBI is a felony.. the FBI can catch almost everyone in a lie if they want. Even if people just misremember something. Not a good argument. He would never lie to the FBI because it is a felony. Cossey lied.. Jo Weber lied, Coffelt, Many people lied in the case. I consider an embellishment a lie... Perhaps they didn't think embellishments are lies.. These things start as innocent and can spin out of control. He walked it back when he realized the seriousness. He gave himself an out.. There is ZERO evidence the event occurred beyond a person possibly resembling the sketch A. Even that is questionable.. The details of the event are not believable... he happened to notice and remember Raleigh cigarette coupons well before the hijacking... that is 100% embellishment. That discredits the entire thing. Then in the walk back he recalls an article from many months prior that may have inspired the person.. He is lying... Don't be so naive..
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At best, he may have seen somebody that he thought resembled Cooper based on sketch A but his detailed description of the encounter was clearly embellished.. Since sketch A was a poor likeness of Cooper and he embellished then his account becomes completely irrelevant. My broader point is generally people have given too much credibility to the Elsinore incident.. there is no there there. At best he saw somebody that looked like the bad sketch. This was confirmed when he walked it all back... that indicates he was initially dishonest. Others making claims of their perceptions of some event may be inaccurate but they don't walk back their claim. That is a CYA move. He changed his story to minimize the encounter and his responsibility. IMO, it was because the FBI took it extremely seriously, he didn't expect that and had to throw doubt on his own initial claim. He overplayed it and had to give himself an out. People are amazed by and elevate the initial claim but ignore or minimize the walk back. Elsinore is a non event.. Lyle lied.