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A legit researcher who isn't suffering from the world's worst case of confirmation bias would know how totally ridiculous this is. Spin it however you want, but literally EVERYONE else who sees this knows how absurd this would be.

lol, again, you're expecting me to have perfect recall of Bill Hahneman's FBI file? So you're saying that I KNEW for 100% fact that his FBI file said he was missing upper teeth and that I decided to claim ON PURPOSE that he was missing upper and lower? Get a grip on yourself. You're so rustled. It's comical at this point.

This is LITERALLY what mine is. Just a series of things that I think make sense. You can get plus or minus points or just a neutral. For example, I don't know if Cooper was actually a pilot or not, so I wouldn't dock a point for not being a pilot, but it doesn't hurt to be a pilot, so I'll give you a point for pilot training. Smoker? Drinker? Aviation Background? 727 knowledge? Parachute training? Olive/Dark complexion? Neutral Accent? Age 40-50? Pilot? Opportunity? Familiar with PNW? Would know McChord? Any reason for odd chemicals to be on your clothing? Demolition training? Height 5'10 to 6'? That's literally it. About as basic as it gets. Claiming to have a 200 item matrix is preposterous on a topic where none of us really know shit. How could there even be 200 things on a matrix for this topic?? He's lying and will continue to hide behind the lie to try and provide the illusion of superiority. Anyways, when I plug the named suspects into those, the top 5 are Hall, Braden, Leigh Seller, Langseth, and Rackstraw (gross). Braden only lost to Hall because he lost a point for falling out of the FBI's official height range (spare me your bottom range stuff, Fly, no need to repeat it), he had neutral points for complexion, and neutral points for not having a realistic explanation for chemicals on his clothing. So it's hardly some sort of bias for Hall when he happens to check every box. It just is what it is. And Dave, please note that only ONE of us between Flyjack and myself is actually willing to open himself up for criticism when it comes to this sort of stuff. Flyjack is being intellectually cowardly by goading someone into showing THEIR matrix while at the same time hiding behind excuses for not revealing HIS matrix. So I'll post my matrix and open myself up to HIS criticism, because I'm a grownup, but he won't dare do it because he's actually afraid of criticism. And again, who tries to win arguments by saying "well, you don't know what I know!" That's what a fifth grader would say to try and win an argument.

You know... repeating a thing doesn't make it true. A misstatement in the middle of talking for three hours straight or while responding to someone on Reddit isn't a lie if I genuinely believe it to be true. So please do forgive me sire for saying that Mr. Magoo was missing teeth in his upper and lower mouth when he was only missing visible teeth in his upper mouth (because that makes it so much better...) or for mistakenly saying that he was from Allentown when he was from like 10 miles away from there (huge difference of course...)

Dude, you think WILLIAM FREDERICK HAHNEMAN was D.B. Cooper....

Well, I actually meant to say that mine has 792 items... I'm going to guess some of yours are: Wore Mr. Magoo glasses - +5 points Had no thick lower lip - +25 points Had a square head - +82 points Had a fat nose - + 17 points Told the crew information about his family - +8 points Missing noticeable teeth - +7 points Let's passengers go out the aft stairs - +10 points Tells hostages who his most recent employer was - +25 points Wore gloves some of the time but not all the time - +15 points Had noticeable growth on nose - +27 points Used a pistol - +72 points Smoked Benson and Hedges, not Raleighs - +15 points Told crew that his identity would be found in his baggage after he left - +14 points Asked for newspapers to read about himself - +18 points Crew describes hijacker as mentally unbalanced - +25 points My own suspect - + 8,427 points I mean, really, Flyjack, I think you've got it man. It really is JUST LIKE COOPER

Let's try it without your poor parlor trick. It's uncanny...truly. How many times are you going to fail in one day?

So you eliminate Hall because of severe forehead wrinkles when he raises his eyebrows and "severe eye wrinkles" and a small mole, but won't eliminate your suspect who doesn't have Cooper's only real notable feature and doesn't even remotely have the same head shape. Nobody even needs to get to forehead wrinkles to eliminate Bill. And hell, I don't see any wrinkles AT ALL on Hahneman, yet Cooper definitely had some, or is that something you've conveniently overlooked? Skip's forehead is actually a damn sight better than Botox Bill's.

Well, for one thing, my matrix doesn't value near-sightedness and bird lips. And sorry, I can't reveal the matrix...it's uhhh top secret for ummm, a project that I'll be working on for.... infinity...so I can't reveal it. But I'll just say you don't know what's on there because if you did, you'd be singing a different tune. Everyone out there just needs to trust me, all these other posters don't crap because they don't have what I have. Just trust me...and stuff.

My dude...throw in the towel. This is embarrassing.

will you please shut up about "you don't know what I've got." You're like a 12 year old trying to win a debate. Either present the evidence or don't bring it up at all. Yawn. Your dude six months after NORJAK hijacking STILL doesn't look like any sketch or any consistent description EVER GIVEN of Cooper's facial features. Your guy is LITERALLY called "thin lipped" by a Newspaper. One of the witness descriptions in the paper call him having thin lips, because he does! He has objectively thin lips. You're attacking Skip Hall for freaking "severe eye wrinkles" when your guy has a fat nose, a symmetrically square head that isn't oblong at all, and has little bird lips. Plus he was a ranting and rambling fool. The guy apparently told people on the plane his most recent employer. Does any of this sound like D.B. Cooper to ANYONE on earth except someone suffering for history's worst case of Sunken Cost Fallacy. Didn't you say his weight fluctuated? Wasn't that an excuse of yours? Well these are all photos of him after being on the run in Honduras for a month. Doubt he was visiting buffets.

did you ever post MULTIPLE witnesses saying that Hahneman was 6'? No. I literally posted 40 witnesses descriptions of Fisher and you ignored it. You could be totally lying for all we know.

And how are you going to spin it when we inevitably get the Vault drop where all the witnesses say it's not him? You'll be Dan Gryder at that point.

Not trying to be deliberately obtuse, I assure you. I'm just not seeing any similarities aside from the hairline.

It's the small consistent things we have with the witnesses though that make it extremely difficult for me to consider Hahneman from a physical standpoint. Even seeing Cooper for as short a time as some of them did, they remembered his lower lip as being unique. Other than his complexion, his lower lip seems to be his one defining feature. "Middle aged person, dressed in a suit, with dark complexion, and a sort of protruding lower lip". It was obviously memorable. You really can't deny that. We have Tina in 1973 remembering Cooper's lower lip and comparing it to a suspect (I have FOIA'd for this photo). Or his head shape. Cooper is always described consistently as having a long head, with wide forehead and narrowing as it goes down the chin. Bill's head is very symmetrical and more like a square than the inverted triangle look.

What did I LIE about? If I misstated something, that's an accident, not a LIE. Put out as much content as I do about a variety of things in this case and OTHER cases (copycats) and you're bound to get something wrong. Lie is a deliberate distortion. Believe me, I don't need to deliberately distort anything for Hahneman to be a terrible suspect. Literally would have no reason to lie about Hahneman. Seriously, how in the world do you expect people to believe that eyewitnesses could have viewed Hahneman and then come up with Comp A? You may think Comp A sucks, but the witnesses didn't think so just three days later. There is no planet, galaxy, universe, or dimension of space-time where people could interact with Hahneman and three days later be in agreement that Comp A was a good representation of Hahneman. Impossible. ESPECIALLY when we know what his own composite sketch looked like. It is intellectually indefensible IMO to suggest that Comp A could be derived from people interacting with Hahneman.

The only bias in all of this is you having the world's largest case of confirmation bias about your suspect. You're cherry picking like mad. That first description that you're clinging to also says he had good teeth, sharp pointed nose, and an oblong head. Oh, and it says "THIS HAS BEEN UPDATED". And again, aside from Eric Ulis, you somehow are the only researcher who has ever promoted a suspect who doesn't look a single thing like any sketch of Cooper ever created, yet looks remarkably similar to his own sketch, which was almost certainly drawn by the same artist.

No, I appreciate Fly's analysis on many things, but the Hahneman stuff is absurd. I don't bring it up to discredit him. And I don't just randomly bring up Hahneman. If someone brings him up in a livestream or on Reddit or wherever, I'll respond. Sure, I've picked on him a few times in the past, but if he's brought up, I'm going to discuss it.

I think you know deep down that you're suffering from Sunken Cost Fallacy at this point. Hahneman is a really, really poor match for Cooper. You have to cherry pick like crazy to make things fit for him from a physical standpoint.

Not looking like Cooper hasn't stopped you from chasing as a suspect one of the only middle aged white men in America in 1971 who doesn't even remotely look like any Cooper sketch ever created yet looks remarkably similar to his own sketch. Skip didn't have a scar fwiw. The majority of the photographs of him and his interview come from 1968 when the Warren Commission stuff occurred and he happened to have a cut on his face for whatever reason. It appears in no other photos of him. And yes, he's #1 on my matrix, just a smidge above Braden. So what? My matrix is a list of things that I consider that Cooper needs to have: smoker/drinker/complexion/opportunity/parachute training/aviation history/knew PNW and about a dozen other things. Sorry it seems to bother you so much. Your fella is on there and scored 5th out of 24, tying with Langseth. He'd be a fine suspect if he actually looked anything like Cooper and wasn't so wee. And I don't need your respect. I don't respect you either. You're wholly agenda driven for Hahneman. Your research is nothing but an attempt to prove your own biases and to be proven right. If Hahneman had a small nose, you'd be all aboard the small nose train. If he looked like Comp A, you'd be all aboard the Comp A train. It's transparent to everyone paying attention. You view this case as a competition, which is why you're such a dick to everyone who disagrees with you.

not sure why I'd put a sketch of Bill in my book

Ahhh yes, an “image” of Cooper is somehow better than the sketch drawn from scratch in front of all three stewardesses just three days later No, I don’t think I have a right to your research. I just think you’ve used this “project” as a means to keep yourself free from being challenged and as a means to try to feel superior to others. You accuse me all the time of not wanting a challenge, yet my opinions on this case are available to thousands of people, not just the six people who read this forum. I’m open for criticism anywhere on Facebook, Reddit, YouTube, here, and everywhere else on the Internet. You just hide here and bully people who disagree with you and criticize others by claiming “well they just don’t have what I have.” So which one of us is up for a challenge and which one of us is the intellectual coward? And yes, yes, go ahead and respond with “I don’t care what the unwashed masses think, this is for me, yada yada”. I’m curious how you’re gonna spin it when at some point, probably near the end of the year, we see a document, or several documents, from a vault release indicating that your boy Bill’s photos were shown to the witnesses and they say it’s not him. Surely you know that’s coming?

It's better than what you've got. TRUST ME.

Well actually I have new data that proves it was at 8:14.

Well, technically "they" do. It's what Larry Carr believed and as he was the only NORJAK agent whom ever looked into it in the modern era, then he is able to speak for the FBI on it, since it was his case. That's the way a law enforcement bureaucratic machine operates: A case agent's words represent the Bureau as it relates to that specific issue at the time they say it. I've asked Larry this specifically. He said "yes, feel free to put in your book that the FBI believes this now." It was the same way when I was a prosecutor on a case. If I said something to the media, then they're able to write in an article that "the DA's office believes" or whatever. So it's not some deliberate sleight of hand or falsehood on my part. And you'll just have to forgive me and the rest of us for continuing to believe that he jumped after 8:11 since you aren't going to share your revelatory information with us. You tend to do this a lot and it's kinda lame, haha. I have information about Hahneman that will shut you all up...but I can't share it because of a project. I have a photograph of Cooper...but I can't share it because of a project. I have information about the jump time...but I can't share it because of a project. Whether you're doing this intentionally or not, it's a very unfair tactic to use in an argument. It's a fallacy actually. It's an Appeal to Secret Knowledge.