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Copycat Melvin Fisher. Some familiar elements here with Cooper. He got further than any other copycat who didn't jump. He actually got the stairs down but couldn't locate a familiar landmark, chickened out, then turned himself in. I don't know of any other non-jumping copycats who actually put a chute on and had the stairs down. My research on Fisher indicated that he was at one point an aviation cadet, but ended up as a B-24 mechanic during the war.

For anyone wanting to mess around with the flight path without the FBI's connect the dots marking, I removed the pencil mark.

I checked the database for all the 302's that mention Maryland and there is nothing relating to anyone on the run in 71.

Hi Randy, I've come across Ellis before on NAMUS and he certainly has a dang good looking face for Cooper, but unfortunately his profile says he was only 5'6. Cooper was 5'10 to 6' tall, with one stewardess estimating him as tall as 6'1. Height exaggeration is a very real thing among eyewitnesses, but to think someone 5'6 was described as 6' is a bit of a bridge too far.

Good of them to throw in free shipping

They caught him in the middle of relating his story about standing outside the bathroom telling his thanksgiving joke to Tina and Cooper. So he was “standing” the equivalent of a row behind Cooper. https://patch.com/california/livermore/livermore-man-recaps-encounter-with-db-cooper “Almstad would later get up to use the men's restroom. The lavatory was occupied and there was a man and stewardess sitting nearby," Almstad said. "I said, 'Well if we stay long enough we can have Thanksgiving dinner up here.' " The man, who he believes was D.B. Cooper, turned back and smiled at him.“

This interview with passenger William J. Murphy is just great. FullSizeRender.MOV

For the record, I’m not saying he WAS a greedy thief/common criminal type, just saying it may have just been something clever to say. But FlyJack is right, most greedy thieves have grudges against the world for being the losers that they are, etc. I’ve been intensively studying all the 16 Copycat attempts recently (hoping to write a book on them) and most of them are just total headcases. The only one who was mostly chill was Hahneman. The others were all pretty manic. There was definitely something unique about Cooper.

I believe it's very possible the grudge line meant nothing, it was just something cool to say. "No Miss, I don't have a grudge against your airline, I'm just a greedy thief" doesn't have the same ring to it.

Richard Simmons describing the moment when Alice found out what was happening. FullSizeRender.MOV

I'd add that the final guy behind Mr. Cummings is either another FBI/NWO guy or perhaps the bus driver. I've been trying like hell to find an image of Elwood "Al" Lee, but have been unsuccessful. Was curious to see if he was one of the men in the front. Probably unlikely that he'd be part of herding the passengers around, but you never know. "The Cowboy" it appears, was Robert Cummings. It wouldn't have been Daniel Rice since he had a first class ticket and would have been hassling Alice, not Tina. So it must have been Cummings.

Well this took quite a while. But I found color footage of all the passengers coming off the bus into the airport. Turns out that the first four people in that clip are FBI/NWO officials. Anyways, this was difficult to do but I was able to match up who was who by looking up military records for heights, stalking Facebooks, using newspaper photos, yearbook photos, etc. But this is all of them. They are listed in the order that they enter the terminal in the video. I'm also including the full color video. Flight305Passengers.mp4

Neat image of Cooper Copycat Francis Goodell's money bag. Looks to be roughly the same dimension as the package described by Milnes: 1 foot x 1 foot x 8 inches. While not exact it's a decent analog for Cooper's money bag.

It's literally one of these 4 things: 1) Money packets had paper bands on them (and likely rubber bands) 2) 22 year old Tina Mucklow called rubber bands "bank type bands" 3) FBI agent dictating Tina's Reno interview thinks that rubber bands are "bank type bands" and so despite Tina saying "rubber bands" he says "bank type bands." 4) FBI agent intentionally distorts what Tina said.

The truth is probably something so completely random i.e. Cooper hitchhiked a ride from someone and as he was getting out of the car thought it would be cute to hand the guy a bundle of cash as a thanks. Driver is like "WTF?" but drives off. Later as he is driving down Lower River Rd he hears the news, freaks out, and throws the bundle out the window near the river. Spring flooding pushes it along to its eventual spot on Tena Bar.

There are many options. I don't even like speculating on Tena Bar. It boggles the mind and is a waste of time, in my opinion. It doesn't get us any closer to Cooper. However, words matter. Tina's 302 says "bank type bands" were on the cash. So if there were no paper bands on the cash, then that means that either Tina Mucklow or SAC Harold Campbell or SA Hinterliter, who would have dictated their notes to a secretary, refer to rubber bands as "bank type bands". That seems unlikely. Also, the fact that it says "bank TYPE bands" sounds like a direct quote. If that's the case, then that quote came directly from Tina mere hours after she saw the cash. Thus, we are left with two possibilities: - A 22 year old from Philadelphia calls rubber bands "bank type bands"; or - The cash had paper bank bands on them. It's important to remember that the paper bands and the rubber bands are NOT mutually exclusive. It's not an either or proposition. Perhaps Tina just failed to mention the rubber bands and we don't have a 302 where they discuss the bundling with rubber bands. Given the physical evidence (money had rubber bands) and the contemporaneous 302's (bank bands/straps/bank type bands), it's reasonable to assume that they had both.

I'm attaching a PDF that has all of these particular 302's in them regarding the money and how it was packaged and transported. NickyB reached out to Tina's "handler", Dawn Bierschwal and she gave a dumb answer in response. Also posting Nicky asking Al Lee's secretary about it. About the paper bands leaving marks, as I posted previously, Chaucer reproduced Kaye's "will it float" experiment with a bundle since Tom used a packet. The thought being that maybe the fanning out of the bills is what caused the money to sick. As mentioned, the bundle floated about 7 minutes and then sank. He immediately pulled it out of the water and set it out to dry. A day later the paper bank bands were already disintegrating. I don't believe the paper bands would have lasted long enough to left any shadows. Similarly, what tiny fragments of paper could have still been left is likely to have escaped the Ingrams' notice. Why would they have cared about such a thing? Bank-302s.pdf

My understanding is that the "no identifying marks" line by the Bank manager/security officer is a reference to the fact that employees will put their initials on bands when they make a packet.

Seems like whenever Bill tells the story he sort of puts his hand on his neck and rubs up and down. To me that indicates more of age related turkey "gobble" as opposed to a double chin. The statement about "flabby skin" also seems to hint at more of the "gobble" as opposed to the "double chin" that someone who is overweight might have. Cooper was also seemingly a fit looking individual, so that would seemingly lower the likelihood of this being a weight induced double chin.

Finally figured out this 302.

You really think paper is still going to be there 9 years later? An experiment was done recently to see if a bundle would float (as opposed to a packet) and the paper straps were already tearing apart and disintegrating after being in the water for only 7 minutes.

Am I disagreeing with you? I want to rule out the possibility that there may have been post-hoc assumptions about the rubber bands due to the money find. If the physical evidence has rubber bands on it, then sure, it seems safe to assume that the money was rubber banded, even absent proof that it was given to Cooper that way. However, I'd like to rule out that this is a post-hoc assumption by finding pre-TB evidence. If I never find it, then oh well, I guess I'll go to my grave assuming that it was rubber banded AND paper banded. Which is what Himmy says on Unsolved Mysteries. Tosaw says this as well.

That's Tina.

Thanks for the clarity on Baker's statements. I'd still like to find a pre-Tena Bar statement about the rubber band bundling. I'm not disbelieving of it. It's always been, and still is, my understanding that the money consisted of banded packages that were bundled. Perhaps you can find something? I've come up empty the past few days. I believe if you are only seeing the Beeson interview, you are missing some context as well. Most of our discussion about the paper bands is centered around Ulis' resistance to the idea that there were paper bands on the money. It's basically been the entire Facebook group vs. Ulis the past few days because it's his contention that Tina was referring to rubber bands when she said "bank type bands". Of course, literally everyone else thinks that's silly. But he's entitled to his opinion and that's fine. Nevertheless, most of our discussion about the paper banding was a reference to this ongoing Group vs. Ulis fight about it.