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And there are many theories that contradict science as we know it, Examples? Researchers defy 19th Century law of Physics in 21st century boost for energy efficiency: https://phys.org/news/2018-11-defy-19th-century-law-physics.html#jCp We try our best to find out how the universe works. As we develop better sensors, better tests and gather more information then our understanding can be tweaked, developed and added to. It's a living thing, not a static dogma. What do you do with contradictory scripture? Example?

Especially when you ignore my answers to your questions and go off on some other tangent . . . Again, I apologise. There's no doubt that the fault is within me and my lack of ability to explain the mind of God apart from that which he has already explicitly stated. . .

And there are many theories that contradict science as we know it, but we try our best to maintain those that fit within our realm of understanding.

I've said everything I needed to say in this thread. You need to look no further than the scripture that I've quoted, but I hope you would. If I somehow misrepresented, than I apologize, but that's between me and God. I appreciate your questioning, but I no longer feel inclined to drag this out any longer.

That's only because you selectively quote the points that support your preconceptions and ignore those that don't. Just like you ignore the bad in a tragic situation just so you can call it a good thing. ...and then you have the balls to say that I'm the one stooping so low to support my argument. . .

Right, given that the 3+ billion religious people in this world don't want to perform any type of ghastly atrocities whatsoever in the name of their peaceful religion. . . You'd probably have better luck finding full bottles of beer lying around campus after a tailgate. . . Probably not, you just reminded me of "that guy." (snicker)

Self responsibility: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twKsU1Qv4k8

Holy Christ, what a load of pretentious bullshit. I bet the people here just let you ramble on like some once respected college professor that now scours the campus for empty bottles. . .

Didn't you already forfeit your right to post in this thread? Just because the moderators erased your classless behavior doesn't mean that it's gone unnoticed. . .

....we don't know that yet - it was only a few days ago. He may well have infected them with something. Right, and many may die. Maybe next time they will have learned not to kill the white man on impulse, but rather hear him out. Evolution and all that. . .

Right, and than Robert Price will come in and explain how Carrier's disbelief is inferior to his own disbelief, and than Ehrman will come in and explain how his agnosticism is superior to their disbelief and how the consensus agrees that Jesus actually did exist even if it didn't really mean anything, but than maybe it actually did, but who knows? It's really fascinating if you have time to get into all that jazz. . .

Humans are weird, but I'd love to see it live. . . The Good, the Bad and the Ugly - The Danish National Symphony Orchestra https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enuOArEfqGo Love the change up at 2:36.

That phrase is so lame that there's not even a cool song from the 80s to express the amount of lameness that it deserves. . . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2IwOemnjbI

Scripture is quite clear that it's not. Now that's funny...... "Outside are the dogs and sorcerers and the sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and everyone who loves and practices falsehood." "Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God." "Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions, envy, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God." "For you may be sure of this, that everyone who is sexually immoral or impure, or who is covetous (that is, an idolater), has no inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God." "Strive for peace with everyone, and for the holiness without which no one will see the Lord." “Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it."

DJL called it a trick, not me.

Scripture is quite clear that it's not.

And what about his family? Is it good that they have to bury him? Is it good, or somehow even better that his children now have to grow up without a father? His parents are dead, he's not married, and he has no children. What now? Are his instincts to shield another person better than someone's instinct to run? You just said that loving your neighbour like yourself is not good but tragic. You've refused to recognise that any external manifestation of love for another human being is ever worthwhile. And you refused to recognise that loving "the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind" comes before all that. . . Edit: And IMO, that really puts our fallen nature into perspective, because I'd suspect that even the best Christian on the planet violates that commandment practically everyday of their life. . .

Not all women/minorities see flattery or being subjects of victimization that deserve our pity, as being a positive thing. In fact many, if not most see it as an insult and even racist or misogynistic in itself. What part of "being treated like everyone else" don't you understand? And this is probably all beside the point. I think the OP was talking about the idea of physical beauty having any real value whatsoever. . .

Or perhaps Christians are just like anyone else - some saints, some wicked people that remind you of Satan, mostly average. Doesn't that fly in the face of your OP that you will know them "by their fruits?"

Amen. And there are two ways of looking at that. "Praise God!" or "YEEEEEHAWWWWW! THAT MEANS I, OR YOU, OR ANYONE CAN BECOME A SERIAL KILLER AND DO WHATEVER THE HELL WE WANT AND STILL GO TO HEAVEN! I'LL REMEMBER THAT ON MY DEATH BED! GOD IS SUCH A DONKEY!"

I don't know, it seems that would that be more analogous to an atheist coming face to face with God after they've died. Ah...so the trick is being sorry just before you die, I'll try to remember that. So your logic is that you can trick God?

Has he done a good thing? Is it good that a child is kept alive? Is it good that the parents can see their baby grow up instead of burying it? And what about his family? Is it good that they have to bury him? Is it good, or somehow even better that his children now have to grow up without a father? It's tragic. Saying that it's good seems to put more value on some lives over others - for example, the baby's family vs. the man's family, and those that instinctively run vs those that instinctively shield someone. Again, it's still tragic. Your definition of doing good in this sense is to mitigate the effects of a fallen word, a fallen world in which I believe we're all guilty of playing a role. We really don't know the depth of our sin and the extent of it's effect on the world. Even batting a hairy eyeball at someone is liable to set off a chemical reaction in their brain that leads to an unfortunate series of events resulting in someone's death or suffering, and so on and so forth, etc., etc., till each and everyone of us is finally dead. So when it finally comes back around on us, or when we're affected by the sin of someone else, we can become all sympathetic and show empathy, and we can try to limit the pain, but I don't really know if that's a spiritual thing or not - and either way, taking credit for it would be like white men taking credit for freeing the slaves or allowing women to vote. . . OK, so your direct answer to my direct question is that there is no such thing as a good deed, either in action or in outcome. So, once again, in what way does god care what you do if nothing you can do is good? One glaring constant throughout scripture is that He cares that we are obedient. "Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to listen than the fat of rams." "And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross." "For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous." "As obedient children, do not conform to the evil desires you had when you lived in ignorance." "He replied, 'Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and obey it.'" "If you love me, you will keep my commandments." "And this is love: that we walk in obedience to his commands. As you have heard from the beginning, his command is that you walk in love." "And he said to him, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the great and first commandment. And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments depend all the Law and the Prophets.” And they all said?

So again, you need to answer the question, what is 'good' Tho we don't, and can never know his motives, we as a society will herald him a hero, and that's fine, I get it. But let's face it, it would most likely be due to pure instinct. There is nothing spiritual about that whether he was a believer or not. So what is good? When you look at it from afar, you see a society that is reaping what it sowed. We have a man that had to sacrifice his life so that a baby wouldn't get shot. What is good is to never have that happen if the first place. So by what means do we get there other than standing ankle deep in water shouting at the tide?

Do I? How do you know? How do you know they really believe in Jesus? How do you know they are really happy? Like I said, I don't know how God works in every believers life in every situation. There are too many variables to know it all. All I know is that according to scripture, he does. We're all at different places in our spiritual life experiencing different cultures and needs, but "To whom much is given, much is expected." Is that a thing? Does that really happen? How do you know what his motives were? Maybe it's like JDL said and he has a change of heart when faced with death? At the end of the day, your most likely scientific explanation is that it was just pure instinct thanks to your god of evolution. He died, she lived, she'll die, everyone will forget and it won't make one damn bit of difference, will it? Would he have shielded a grown man? If so, how could you possibly know why? And yet it's all you guys ever talk about. Not sure about all that, but it does make sense if we're trying to appeal to self-centered humanity.

Right, not every believer is going to be disciplined to the point of questioning their faith, but we know that every believer will be chastened. There is always room for improvement. First, we know mere belief in God doesn't really mean anything wrt to what we're actually talking about, but I know that's not what you meant, so no point in changing the subject. But seriously, how can you possibly know that they are happy? And not that it's really any of my business, (unless they are personally held accountable to me) but how can you know that someone really believes if they just keep on living the same sinful life unchecked as if nothing ever changed? How can you say that you struggle with Christians joining the military and going to war, but not struggle with how a christian can show no evidence of producing any spiritual fruit whatsoever? Well now you've got the whole thing backwards. You're saying the saved christian can be rewarded for doing good deeds - therefore the saved Christians good deeds are self serving, whther he wants it to be or not. Actually, if the saved christian can suppress his sinful nature to allow God's spirit to work through him, then he will be rewarded whether he knows it or not. No, I'm saying that the supposed "good deeds" of both the saved and unsaved will not be rewarded because they are completely self serving "acts of the flesh," not "fruit of the spirit" There is no good unless God is working through you. Having a relationship with God is a two-way street. It's ok that there are benefits. But seriously, if you've ever experienced a conversion where you are truly penitent and completely broken by your sin, the last thing on your mind at that precise moment is, "what's in it for me."